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Setting The Stage: Why AI Matters
Alex Wilson-Campbell
0:00
This
is
Alex
once
again
from
Remote
Work
Life.
And
I'm
with
my
friend
Henrik
DeGure,
who
is
a
consultant,
a
remote
consultant
that
I've
known
for
many
years
now.
And
I
interviewed
him
as
a
guest
probably
about
five
years
ago
now.
But
since
then,
we've
uh
we've
worked
together,
we've
we've
networked
together,
we've
shared
ideas
together.
So
I
wanted
to
speak
to
Henrik
because
the
world,
as
you
know,
is
is
evolving,
and
AI
is
definitely
at
the
heart
of
that.
And
Henrik
is
somebody
who
uh
like
me
is
trying
to
stay
close
to
what's
going
on
in
AI.
And
Henrik
also
has
an
AI
company,
which
I'd
love
him
to
introduce
as
well.
Henrik,
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
joining
me
today.
And
as
ever,
you're
very
welcome.
Henrik de Gyor
0:51
Absolutely.
Well,
thank
you
so
much,
Alex,
for
having
me
on
the
show.
Yeah,
I'm
Henrik
DeGuir.
I'm
with
the
Chief
Digital
Officer
for
uh
Myaifluency.com.
And
uh
look
forward
to
our
conversations.
Thank
you.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
1:02
Yes,
and
uh
the
conversation
is
going
to
be
around
AI
because
like
I
said,
it's
it's
a
it's
a
subject
that
is
at
the
heart
of
heart
of
work
and
the
and
the
heart
of
life.
And
for
me,
it's
something
that
I
want
to
be
at
least
understanding
in
terms
of
the
direction
it's
going.
There's
a
lot
of
focus
on
tools,
which
I
think
it
is
good
in
a
sense,
but
I
think
where
the
tools
are
concerned,
it
can
leave
you
wondering
which
tool
to
use,
which
tool
to
choose.
And
I
think
when
I
was
speaking
to
when
we
were
speaking,
Henrik,
I
think
we
were
more
along
the
lines
of
how
how
to
use
AI,
how
we
sharing
how
we
use
AI,
in
the
hopes
that
through
learning
out
loud
we
can
help
people
who
listen
to
the
podcast
and
people
whom
you
know
who
are
either
new
or
sort
of
uh
future
listeners
to
the
podcast.
So
yeah,
is
that
also
your
take
as
Beyond Tools: Focus On Workflows
Alex Wilson-Campbell
2:05
well,
Henry?
Henrik de Gyor
2:05
Absolutely,
yeah.
Thank
you.
And
uh
I
think
it's
it's
not
about
the
tools
themselves,
to
your
point,
because
the
tools
are
literally
that.
It's
like
screwdrivers
and
hammers.
Like
no
one
cares
what
screwdriver
created
my
car
or
what
hammer
created
my
house.
Uh,
it's
not
about
the
tools.
And
we're
we
have
a
lot
of
focus
on
tools
because
there's
thousands
of
them
that
are
AI
tools.
So,
yes,
there
are
some
more
relevant
than
others
that
are
relevant
to
what
you're
trying
to
do
today
or
or
what
anyone
is
trying
to
do.
Uh,
but
we're
we're
gonna
focus
more
on
the
the
thought
process
of
like
why
and
how
to
get
to
AI
first
and
and
be
relevant
and
remain
irrelevant
in
today's
market,
if
that
helps.
Thanks.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
2:51
Yeah,
and
I
think
uh
and
where
it's
even
more
relevant
is
that
we
we
as
knowledge
workers,
as
desk
workers,
especially
working
remote
on
remotely,
you
from
my
perspective,
I'm
always
trying
to
find
ways
and
means
of
working
as
efficiently
as
possible.
And
I
think
AI,
as
much
as
I
said,
I'm
not
an
expert
where
AI
is
concerned,
AI
is
actually
beginning
to
help
me
to
do
that.
And
it's
something
that
we
can't,
it's
undeniable
that
AI
is
gonna
be
or
is
the
future
of
work
and
how
work
is
done.
And
for
to
that
end,
I
think,
as
I
said,
sharing
what
we
know
is
gonna
hopefully
hopefully
help.
So
from
my
perspective,
and
possibly
yours
as
well,
Henrik,
you
because
obviously
Henrik's
gonna
share
his
perspective
as
well.
We're
not
we're
not
focusing
on
tools,
as
Henrik
said,
and
as
I
as
I
alluded
to,
we
want
to
flip
that
and
we
want
to
really,
as
I
said,
look
at
how
AI
can
hopefully
enhance
our
sort
of
day-to-day
work,
but
also
enhance
our
careers,
because
that's
another
important
aspect
is
that
neither
myself
or
Henry,
we
we
don't
necessarily
want
to
be,
I
guess,
in
a
position
where
we're
left
behind
in
it
in
a
sense,
where
the
you
know
people
are
moving
and
developing
their
careers
with
an
AI-first
perspective,
or
at
least
AI
being
part
of
the
work.
So
we
want
to
be
able
to
do
that
as
well.
And
the
tools
will
change
over
time,
and
that's
why
I
think
it's
so
important,
not
necessarily
at
this
point,
anyway,
to
focus
on
the
tools,
the
problems
and
the
workflows,
other
things
that
are
stable,
I
guess,
in
a
way.
So
it's
it's
more
us
focusing
on
that.
So
things
like
the
meetings.
Uh
had
you
and
I
we
use
we
use
uh
AI
quite
a
lot,
don't
we,
Henrik,
with
for
our
own
meetings
when
we're
getting
together.
Henrik de Gyor
4:45
Yep.
To
transcribe,
to
uh
summarize,
to
uh
um
actually
schedule
things
actually
uh
very
easily,
to
schedule
follow-ups,
to
to
uh
to
uh
understand
uh
who's
uh
accountable
and
who's
who's
gonna
do
act
who
has
an
action
item
to
do
this
or
that
the
other
thing,
to
even
summarize
uh
podcasts
and
and
uh
create
contents.
There's
so
many
different
things
you
can
do
uh
um
as
far
as
just
meetings
to
your
point.
Yeah.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
5:15
Writing
as
well,
writing
is
something
that
I
you
know,
I
I'm
actually
I
didn't
Meetings Supercharged With AI
Alex Wilson-Campbell
5:20
really
as
I've
never
grown
up
as
somebody
who's
enjoyed
writing,
because
writing
it
takes
so
it
takes
a
lot
of
effort.
Um
I
can
remember
even
writing
essays
and
theses
to
part
of
university.
It
was
just
a
long
process.
So
I'm
not
I've
never
been
somebody
who's
enjoyed
writing,
but
I
must
say
that's
changed
quite
a
lot
because
again,
now
I'm
using
AI
not
just
not
to
write
the
first
draft,
not
to
write
the
final
draft,
but
to
sort
of
get
the
ideas,
get
the
flow,
get
the
insights.
Yes,
even
writing
emails
as
well.
Writing
emails
was
something
that
has
improved,
writing
messages,
direct
messages,
all
kinds
of
different
things.
So
that's
another
thing
we,
you
know,
one
of
the
another
of
the
workflows
that
I
think
is
sort
of
trickled
its
way
into
my
my
day-to-day
work.
I
don't
know
about
you,
Henry.
Henrik de Gyor
6:12
Totally.
Yeah,
I
agree
with
you
because
it
everything
from
ideation,
meaning
creating
those
ideas,
like
having
an
idea
of,
well,
what
should
I
create
me
an
outline
of
what
this
should
look
like,
uh,
or
draft
one
right
at
the
very
minimum,
just
uh
for
for
the
generation
of
ideas.
And
then
even
if
you
throw
away
99%
of
them,
you
still
have
a
kernel
to
start
with,
and
then
or
a
seed
that
you
can
plant.
And
then
from
that,
it
can
grow
based
on
you
as
the
human
in
the
loop
and
the
AI.
It's
not
you
or
AI,
it's
you
and
AI.
And
people
aren't
gonna
lose
their
jobs
from
AI,
they're
gonna
lose
from
people
using
AI.
So
100%.
That's
uh
something
else
you
probably
want
to
you
want
you
wanted
to
discuss.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
7:02
Yep,
100%.
Uh
on
the
jobs
front,
I
mean,
it's
you
may
or
may
not
know.
I
don't
know
if
you
know
this,
but
I
my
background
is
um
is
hiring
is
executive
search.
I
mean,
I've
shared
this
conversation
with
Henrik,
but
I
wanted
to
share
it
with
everybody
else.
Is
that
that
was
my
background.
So
hiring
something
else
that
we're
gonna
explore
in
this
this
series
of
episodes.
And
something
something
totally
unexpected
as
well,
Henrik.
I
found
myself,
which
we're
gonna
go
into
a
bit
more
detail
about,
but
using
Chat
GPT
for
things
like
health,
decision
making,
and
coaching.
And
this
is
for
my
own
personal
health,
decision
making
and
coaching.
That
was
something
that's
really
just
happened
to
me
unexpectedly,
Henrik.
And
I
think
you
were
saying
as
well
it's
something
that's
in
fact
I
shared
it
with
you,
think
thinking
that
am
I
sort
of
crazy
to
use
AI
for
this
sort
of
thing?
And
when
I
shared
it
with
you,
I
was
quite
relieved
to
hear
that
you
also
um
you
also
have
been
using
it
for
that
respect
as
well.
Henrik de Gyor
8:05
Yeah,
so
I
I
I
use
it
for
my
wellness
plan
and
my
dieting,
uh,
uh,
which
I
I
I
lost
uh
like
40
pounds
uh
in
like
six
months
uh
using
it.
Not
that
it's
a
diet
plan,
but
uh
I
I
I
also
use
it
where
I
got
my
blood
results
and
I
I
I
was
keen
to
get
the
results
of
like
what
should
I
do
to
ameliorate
this
level
that's
high
or
too
high
or
too
low?
What
should
I
do
about
it
to
normalize
it?
And
uh
removing
the
uh
personal
identifiable
information
from
the
the
the
blood
work
and
just
putting
in
the
numbers
straight
from
the
that
I
got
from
the
the
lab,
I
was
able
to
put
it
into
uh
Writing Help: From Ideas To Drafts
Henrik de Gyor
8:45
AI
and
and
it
was
churning
out.
I
was
like,
okay,
so
look
at
these
numbers.
Uh
the
and
whatever
number
is
is
uh
not
normal,
let
me
know
what
I
should
do
about
it.
And
it
gave
me
instantaneous
results
instead
of
waiting
for
a
doctor's
appointments
and
waiting
for,
and
when
I
say
waiting,
I
it's
sometimes
months
and
not
based
on
my
schedule,
based
on
their
schedule.
So
it's
like
getting
results.
Uh
when
it's
your
health,
you
don't
want
to
wait.
So
it's
like,
what
why
wait
when
you
can
get
instantaneous
results
from
AI,
which
you
can
ask
multiple
AIs
if
you're
if
you're
curious
and
see
if
if
the
results
are
different,
uh,
which
sometimes
people
do,
right?
But
it
it's
really
a
matter
of
getting
results
faster
and
getting
more
relevant
results
faster
and
accurate
results
faster.
And
uh
the
the
more
you
practice
how
to
ask
and
how
to
get
that,
the
more
likely
you're
gonna
get
it,
even
for
for
for
health
results
or
or
coaching
or
or
decision
making
or
ideation
to
to
your
point,
Alex.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
9:49
And
just
to
reiterate,
we're
not
we're
not
in
this
series,
we're
not
teaching,
we're
not
um
giving
advice
necessarily,
because
as
I
said,
we're
not
we're
not
going
down
that
road,
but
we're
just
sharing
what
we've
done.
And
just
to
sort
of
piggyback
off
Henrik's
point
there
about
the
health
side
of
things,
I
found
myself,
Henrik,
and
I
was
explaining
to
you,
I've
had
this
shoulder
problem
and
also
back
problem
actually,
for
for
a
number
of
years.
And
um
I've
I've
been
to
chiropractors,
I've
been
to
doctors,
you
know,
physiotherapists,
Pilates,
yoga,
you
name
it.
And
I
have
I've
you
know,
I've
never
really
sort
of
got
got
to
the
numb
of
the
problem
as
much
as
I've
had
x-rays,
I've
had
MRI
scans.
So
I
I
I
know
the
sort
of
um
how
they
described
the
the
actual
sort
of
the
root
of
the
problem,
but
that
there's
been
no
sort
of
remedy
necessarily
offered.
They
whether
you
go
to
the
physiotherapist
or
the
doctor
here,
they
just
give
you
this
um,
well,
they
gave
me
anyway,
in
my
experience,
they
gave
me
this
sheet
with
exercises
to
do
every
so
often,
but
it's
not
necessarily
it's
not
prescribed,
it's
not
pr
prescribed
for
you,
it's
just
a
general
form
that
they
give
everybody.
So
I
then
found
myself
using
AI
to
sort
of
diagnose,
diagnose
my
problem.
And
to
your
point,
Henrik,
was
I
was
actually
talking
to
it
and
indeed
having
detailed
conversations,
find
myself
having
a
detailed
conversation
with
my
AI
on
Chat
GPT,
telling
every
step
of
the
way
what
the
actual
problem
was,
where
it
originated,
how
it
affected
me,
what
I
could
and
couldn't
do,
the
sort
of
pain
I
was
in,
how
long
the
pain
was
there.
And
okay,
it
didn't
necessarily,
I
don't
know
if
it
did
diagnose
the
problem,
but
it
gave
me
a
sort
of
a
very
close
sort
of
um
understanding
of
what
I
needed
to
sort
of
begin
to
do
um
in
order
to
sort
of
remedy
the
problem.
So
which
I
did.
I
started
to
build
myself
up,
build
up,
build
sort
of
the
muscle
in
the
areas
that
I
needed
to
build
the
muscle
based
on
what
the
AI
had
said.
And
my
my
my
strength
and
my
sort
of
my
pain
has
gone
completely.
You And AI, Not You Or AI
Alex Wilson-Campbell
12:10
So
there
was
a
point
where
I
couldn't,
for
example,
stretch
back
to
put
my
coat
on
without
a
sort
of
a
twinge
of
pain
in
my
sort
of
um
that
part
of
uh
what
they
call
it,
the
um
the
rotator
cuff
area
of
my
shoulder
on
my
left-hand
side.
So
it
was
a
point
where
I
couldn't
even
do
that.
But
now
I'm
at
a
point
where
I
can
I
can
do
all
sorts
of
things.
I
can
do
press-ups,
which
I
couldn't
do
a
year
ago.
I
can
lift
it.
That's
my
shoulder.
My
back,
I
could
I
could
I
could
barely
lift
shopping
without
pain
radiating
in
my
lower
back
and
my
back
going
into
spasm
as
well.
So
it's
like
now
I'm
it's
night
and
day.
I
can
lift
shopping
bags,
I
can
lift
my
daughter
on
my
back,
that
sort
of
thing.
And
I
can
I
have
to
put
some
of
that
down
to
AI.
Henrik de Gyor
12:59
So
better
advice
from
AI,
like
almost
a
focused
friend.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
13:04
And
this
is
it.
And
I
I
think
it
is
a
focused
friend,
and
from
the
coaching
respect,
it
became
because
I
was
sharing
quite
a
lot
of
the
information
um
in
terms
of
the
problem,
it
became
more
than
a
focused
friend.
It
became
somebody
who's
well,
it's
not
somebody,
it's
something,
said
somebody,
something
that
is
is
helping
me
with
real
problems
and
overcoming
real
problems
and
getting
to
the
point
of
problems.
So
that's
something
else.
Henrik de Gyor
13:33
Um
a
sounding
board.
Yeah,
sounding
board
for
uh
even
I've
heard
it
being
used
for
mental
support
because
a
lot
of
people
are
lonely
and
they
don't
have
anyone
to
talk
to,
and
they're
they're
using
it
for
that,
so
that
they
can
have
a
proper
conversation
with,
and
it's
it
it
sounds
it
doesn't
sound
robotic
anymore,
which
is
the
best
part,
and
and
it
it
will
focus
on
what
you
want
it
to
focus
on.
And
that
for
the
most
part,
it
it's
been
positive.
Yes,
that
there
are
some
glitches
here
and
there
on
occasion,
but
uh
for
the
most
part,
it's
for
the
better,
and
it's
but
uh
there's
two
camps
to
it,
right?
There
is
the
fear
camp,
which
is
still
sizable,
like
the
people
are
afraid
to
use
it
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
but
mostly
because
it's
new
and
they
don't
understand
it.
It's
uh
it's
confusion.
It's
like
uh
oh,
I
hear
bad
things
about
it
in
the
media.
Well,
that's
when
do
you
hear
good
things
about
it
in
the
media?
I
used
to
work
for
the
media.
I
know
they
don't
focus
on
anything
good,
that's
for
sure.
So,
so
of
course
they're
gonna
say
negative
things,
but
uh
more
importantly,
the
AI
will,
or
any
AI
tools,
most
AI
tools
are
there
to
have
to
as
tools.
They're
literally
tools.
They
they
don't
they
don't
uh
feel
either
way.
Uh
they
will
tell
you
what
you
want
to
hear,
and
you
can
tailor
them
and
tailor
the
your
your
experience
to
tell
you
more
rigid
or
less
rigid
information.
Uh
so
if
you
need
to
talk
about
your
mental
health,
you
can.
Um
at
some
point
you
you
may
need
uh
uh
help
with
humans,
you
know,
depending
on
the
challenge,
right?
Because
uh
we're
not
in
the
age
of
robotics
yet,
but
that's
coming
very
fast.
My
assumption
is
is
we'll
we'll
be
seeing
robots
uh
before
the
end
of
the
decade
in
pretty
much
everywhere.
Uh
it's
just
a
matter
of
scale
and
building
uh
and
price
point,
of
course.
But
uh
they're
they're
already
available.
Uh
it's
just
uh
it's
a
price
Coaching And Health Use Cases
Henrik de Gyor
15:30
point
issue.
But
um,
yeah.
So
what
else
are
we
going
to
talk
about?
Alex Wilson-Campbell
15:34
Well
one
subject
of
fear,
I
th
I
think
that
I've
in
my
conversations,
I
think,
and
not
just
conversations,
but
also
generally
when
you
you
hear,
like
you
said,
the
media
side
of
things
where
there
is
I
guess
the
fear
of
AI
taking
taking
somebody's
job,
I
think
there
are
there
are
there
are
definitely
areas
of
work
that
that
is
true.
So
for
example,
in
in
the
in
the
graduate
arenas,
for
example,
so
in
the
in
the
jobs
where
it
requires
a
more
administrative
and
process-led
task,
which
used
to
be
disseminated
to
graduates
or
people
who
are
at
a
very
junior
level,
um,
there
is
there
there
is
certainly
some
justification,
I
guess,
in
in
that
area.
But
I
think
what
that's
gonna
mean
is
that
graduates
are
gonna
have
to
come
out
of
come
out
of
university
with
a
different
mindset.
Um
I
think
because
rot
because
the
roles
are
gonna
be
so
the
structure
of
work
is
gonna
become
a
lot,
I
think,
a
lot
flatter
than
it
than
it
is
currently.
So
where
that
with
that
in
mind,
the
the
junior
roles
which
are
gonna
disappear,
people
graduates
coming
out
of
university
are
gonna
have
to
think
more
like
how
they
can
use
certain
skills
to
compete
with
people
who
are
perhaps
in
the
workplace
have
been
working
in
the
workplace
a
long
longer
time.
And
AI,
I
think,
will
enable
that
as
opposed
to
sort
of
disadvantaging
them.
So
there
is
a
lot
there.
So
there
is
fear,
but
I
think
it
can
be
eliminated
in
some
ways.
But
to
your
point
earlier
on,
I
think
the
people
who
are
gonna
be
using
the
people
who
use
AI
and
sort
of
study
AI
as
you
and
I
are
in
order
to
do
those
tasks
better,
and
and
also
you
have
to
be
patient.
I
think
another
point
you
made
earlier
on
is
that
it's
not
perfect
by
any
means
as
well.
It's
not
nothing's
gonna
be
perfect.
So
you
have
to,
and
it
makes
mistakes
as
well,
so
you
have
to
hold
it
accountable
to
those
mistakes
and
don't
just
feed
it
with
some
with
a
question
and
expect
the
answer
straight
away.
I
think
it's
gonna
require
patience
and
a
different
mindset
from
people
who
are
going
into
the
workplace
in
order
to
study
it,
to
learn
it,
to
uh
to
make
it
part
of
their
day-to-day
work
to
eliminate
those
fears,
you
know.
Um
because
there's
a
lot,
there
is
definitely
a
lot
of
fear
going
on
at
the
moment.
But
there
are
also
those
people
as
well
that
through
their
own
ignorance,
I
think,
or
their
own
ego
in
a
way,
put
a
blocker
in
the
way
of
put
their
pro
their
own
progress
and
in
in
some
ways,
other
people's
by
casting
aspersions
or
even
just
refusing
to
use
it.
Yep.
And
I
think
though
those
are
also
the
people
who
will
will
hopefully,
hopefully
they
will
sort
of
turn
a
corner
and
realize
that
there's
no
resisting
it,
I
don't
think.
I
think
but
I
what
they
should
do
is
is
try
to,
I
think,
be
more
on
board
with
it.
Henrik de Gyor
18:51
Yeah.
Yeah.
I
know
we'll
have
a
different
episode
uh
specifically
around
hiring,
but
around
the
ego
and
the
fear.
Interestingly
enough,
it's
so
law
firms
require
new
new
junior
associates
to
have
AI
skills.
They
have
to
have
them
in
order
to
scale.
Uh,
because
they
know
that
the
AIs
already
know
every
law
in
every
jurisdiction.
So
it's
just
a
matter
of
how
are
you
going
to
leverage
that
versus
you
could
what
are
you
gonna
go
look
at
it
in
the
books
again?
Uh
like
why
would
you
waste
the
time?
So
it's
like,
yes,
you
can
qualify
it
again,
yes,
you
can
you
can
get
all
the
sightings
and
and
citations
and
all
the
fun
things
that
you
need,
uh
um
so
that
you
can
document
it
properly.
And
then
in
in
the
medical
sense,
again,
uh
I
was
I
was
speaking
to
someone
who
works
for
a
hospital
group,
and
they
were
mentioning,
oh
yeah,
we're
we're
using
uh
AI
for
to
sort
our
emails,
right?
So
like,
oh,
this
is
patient
emails,
this
is
this
is
kudos,
uh
emails
about
uh
uh
accolades
and
things
like
that.
Uh
these
are
complaints,
these
are
uh
um
emails
from
my
my
my
superiors
that
I
need
to
prioritize
and
things
like
that.
And
then
and
uh
and
then
I
mentioned
I
asked
them
it's
like,
oh,
so
do
you
use
it
for
the
scans
and
and
to
any
evaluate
scans
and
things
like
that,
like
uh
for
for
body
scans
and
all
the
things?
And
um
the
she
was
mentioning
that
there
was
a
lot
of
resistance
in
that
and
and
that
the
certain
surgeons
preferred
to
uh
assign
people,
and
this
is
this
is
back
to
ego,
right?
They
would
prefer
to
assign
a
human
to
doing
it.
Whether
they're
using
AI
or
not,
that's
not
really
the
point,
right?
Uh
they
would
rather
instead
of
getting
the
information
themselves,
they're
delegating
it
to
another
human.
So
so
Faster Insights From Health Data
Henrik de Gyor
20:40
so
there's
still
that
resistance
too.
So
it's
not
just
fear,
it's
ego,
uh,
that
that's
that's
in
play,
which
I
found
interesting
to
to
to
study
and
understand
that
that's
part
of
the
resistance
is
like
I'm
better
than
AI.
It
was
like,
are
you
sure
you
want
to
test
that
theory?
Alex Wilson-Campbell
21:01
That
reminds
me
of
something
I
I
was
speaking
to
somebody
in
in
um
the
social
care,
social
care
uh
um
within
a
social
care
practice.
I
don't
want
to
be
too
specific,
but
unfortunately,
there
was
there's
apparently
according
to
her,
there's
a
few
people
being
made,
their
roles
are
being
made
redundant.
But
when
I
dug
a
bit
deeper,
because
I
felt
obviously
I
felt
a
bit
sorry
because
nobody
wants
anybody
to
be
made
redundant.
I've
been
made
redundant
myself
a
couple
of
times.
I
know
how
it
can
impact
you
know
people's
lives,
it
doesn't
just
impact
the
person,
usually.
So
I
felt
really
bad
for
that
person
and
those
people
who
are
being
made
redundant.
But
what
I
understood
was
that
it
AI
was
at
the
heart
of
those
redundancies
because
I
think
what's
happening
more
and
more
is
that
the
roles
that
require
information
and
sort
of
the
dissemination
or
the
research
of
information
literally
taken
over
by
I
because
AI
can
find
any
any
sort
of
it's
got
a
sort
of
uh
infinite
knowledge
in
terms
of
healthcare
and
social
care.
And
my
understanding
was
that
there
were
a
few
people
that
were
didn't
want
to
go
down
that
route
in
in
terms
of
using
AI
to
sort
of
find
that
information.
And
those
are
the
people
apparently
that
were
being
made
that
were
losing
their
roles.
I
don't
think
it's
because
they
were
they
feared
using
it
or
didn't
know
how
to
use
it,
or
there
I'm
not
sure
which
one
it
was,
but
I
I
could
see
from
that
conversation,
and
hopefully
that's
not
a
con
I
I
think
that
conversation
may
be
replicated
across
different
in
different
industries,
but
I
would
just
urge
people
just
to
try
to
embrace
as
much
as
possible,
even
if
it
means
just
learning
chat
GPT.
There's
a
chat
GPT
Academy,
for
example,
just
learning
those
little
just
little
things
here
and
there.
And
I
don't
want
to
go
into
too
much
detail
about
this
because
we're
gonna
go
into
more
detail
in
a
later
episode,
but
just
embracing
it,
just
learning
it
step
by
step
and
showing
people,
sharing
with
people
what
you're
learning.
It
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
in
the
public,
it
could
be
just
sharing
it
with
your
manager,
sharing
it
with
your
colleague,
just
to
show
that
you
you're
you're
trying,
you
have
you
have
willing
to
sort
of
learn
and
and
develop.
So
I
think
those
are
the
people
that
are
gonna
be
the
people
that
are
valued
and
perhaps
given
the
opportunities
to
grow
within
an
a
you
know
business.
Right.
Henrik de Gyor
23:32
To
your
point,
the
resistance
is
is
not
gonna
be
welcomed
in
the
workforce.
So
once
companies
have
strategies
around
AI,
which
is
something
that
my
affluency
does
as
well,
once
once
they
have
a
strategy
and
understanding
how
they're
gonna
be
AI
first
and
they're
gonna
uh
have
that
runway
and
understand
what
tools
are
gonna
be
relevant
to
them
and
all
the
things,
it's
not
it's
now
really
really
about
about
the
willingness
to
use
that
and
understand
what's
relevant
to
them,
what's
relevant
because
not
every
every
tool
is
gonna
be
relevant
to
every
department,
right?
There's
gonna
be
tools
that
are
specifically
designed
just
for
their
department,
hypothetically
speaking,
and
their
role
and
what
they
need
out
of
it,
right?
So
if
it's
just
looking
up
information,
uh
pretty
much
any
AI,
if
it's
fed
the
right
information,
can
give
you
that
information
with
very
accurate
results
and
and
just
give
it
to
you
very,
very
quickly.
So
Limits, Safety, And Human Judgment
Henrik de Gyor
24:30
it's
speed,
it's
scalability,
and
then
it's
efficiencies.
And
then
but
then
there's
a
flip
side
to
that,
we'll
which
we'll
talk
about
in
that
that
hiring
episode
coming
up
soon,
where
if
you're
overzealous
of
the
efficiencies
and
you
think
that
I,
as
a
human,
can
run
the
entire
company
myself,
and
I'm
gonna
lay
off
my
entire
staff,
which
to
your
point
is
starting
to
happen
because
they're
overzealous
on
the
high
on
the
firing,
and
then
they
go,
Oh,
we
actually
needed
the
humans
for
something,
something
else,
not
looking
up
information.
Uh,
because
most
people,
you
know,
if
they
have
a
smartphone,
they
know
how
to
look
up
information.
Now
it's
just
gonna
be
much
faster
than
than
the
standard
search
searches
on
the
web
to
find
that
information.
It's
gonna
be
much,
much
more
focused.
Uh,
and
that's
that's
the
game
changer,
one
of
the
game
changers.
So
uh
there's
yeah.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
25:22
This
yeah,
uh
actually
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
AI.
Uh
yeah,
myai,
can't
say
it,
my
AI
fluency,
um,
in
terms
of
how
you're
helping
where
AI
is
concerned,
Henrik,
please.
Henrik de Gyor
25:36
Of
course,
yeah.
So
at
myaifluency.com,
uh
you
can
go
there
and
you
can
sign
up
for
a
community.
You
can
sign
up
for
time
with
us.
Uh,
so
me
and
my
co-founders
who
are
uh
working
on
on
finding
the
right
tools
for
for
first
the
individuals,
right,
who
come
to
us,
and
then
they
invite
us
into
the
company
uh
to
help
the
company.
Because
if
we
can
help
the
individual
and
that
they
get
the
light
bulb
moment
going,
ah,
I
get
it.
I
understand
that
this
is
what
I
shouldn't
be
doing
anymore.
This
these
are
the
tools
that
can
help
me
with
this,
and
that
these
are
the
tools
that
my
clients
can
help,
can
use
directly,
and
I
can
white
label
them
or
whatever
that
looks
like,
um,
or
use
them
for
a
different
set
of
businesses
or
or
new
business
units
or
whatever
that
looks
like.
Uh
so
there's
there's
money
generation
to
be
done
as
well
as
efficiencies
to
be
had.
And
then
there's
there's
efficiencies
in
productivity,
individual
productivity,
right?
Not
at
just
at
work,
at
home
as
well,
which
we'll
talk
about
as
well
in
the
future
episodes,
and
many
other
things.
And
it
goes
all
the
way
to
to
the
level
of
scaling
ourselves.
So
I've
done
this
actually
because
I
have
so
much
writing
and
so
much
podcasting
and
and
and
the
books
and
all
the
things
that
I've
done,
I
fed
it
into
AI.
And
now
I
created
a
digital
twin
of
myself.
So
you
can
ask
questions
to
the
the
digital
twin
of
me,
right?
And
anybody
can
do
this,
right?
So
you
you
you
tell
it
all
the
things
that
you've
done
before.
Uh
Elon
was
one
of
the
first,
Elon
Musk
was
one
of
the
first
people
to
do
this
for
obvious
reasons
because
he's
kind
of
busy
and
doesn't
have
time
to
talk
to
everybody,
but
you
can
talk
to
his
digital
twin
all
day
long,
right?
Um,
and
and
get
answers
basically
from
from
the
the
the
mind
of
of
Elon
Musk.
But
you
can
do
the
same
thing
and
create
your
own
digital
twin.
It's
not
necessarily
the
likeness.
Yes,
you
can
digitize
your
your
likeness
as
well.
Uh,
you
can
digitize
your
voice.
I've
done
that
as
well.
So
it's
really
a
matter
of
how
quickly
do
you
want
to
scale
yourself?
And
do
you
want
to?
So
some
people
want
to,
some
people
don't.
Some
people
see
enormous
value
in
that,
particularly
if
they're
a
public
speaker
or
an
actor.
Some
actors
have
already
done
it
and
they're
they're
making
millions
of
dollars
in
ads
and
they're
sitting
at
home
doing
absolutely
nothing
because
they
can
be
in
a
thousand
movies
in
the
future
at
a
time
and
be
collecting
on
that,
on
royalties.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
28:03
So
imagine
that.
From
my
point
of
view,
is
that
I
think
it's
important
that
Fear, Ego, And Workplace Resistance
Alex Wilson-Campbell
28:10
you
do
one
does
go
to
a
point
of
cloning
your
own
voice,
for
example,
or
cloning
your
own
image,
your
own
likeness,
because
that's
your
IP.
And
I
think
what
just
for
example,
that
there's
somebody
who
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
talk
about
in
a
in
a
future
episode,
a
doctor
whose
name
I'm
not
gonna
reveal
at
this
moment.
So
she's
not
a
doctor,
she's
uh
she's
an
entrepreneur.
And
she
she
was
she
done
something
I
think
is
just
it
makes
sense,
but
at
the
same
time,
it's
just
it's
just
to
me,
it's
just
amazing,
it
blew
my
mind.
So
she
was
ill
for
a
very
long
period
of
time,
and
it
was
a
debilitating
illness
to
the
point
that
she
couldn't,
she
couldn't
move,
she
couldn't,
you
know,
get
up
and
have
the
energy
to
meet
clients.
She
yeah,
it
just
it
just
really
wiped
her
out.
So
what
she
did
was
she
she
cloned
not
only
her
voice,
but
she
cloned
her,
you
know,
her
image
as
well.
And
she
she
made
it
into
a
daily,
weekly
podcast,
a
video
podcast.
And
the
story
goes
is
that
she
she
basically
well
not
story
because
I
listened
to
her
the
episodes
on
on
YouTube.
She
her
business
was
she
was
able
to
maintain
her
business
throughout
the
period
where
she
was
sick.
And
to
a
degree,
she
was
able
to
earn
even
more
when
she
when
she
was
actually
you
know
not
physically
doing
the
business.
And
for
me,
I
I
mean,
I
tell
that
story
because
I
myself,
as
a
podcaster,
you're
so
heavily
reliant
on
your
voice.
You're
not
thinking
about
podcasting
to
earn
money.
I'm
not
thinking
about
it
from
that.
That's
not
my
sort
of
prior,
you
know,
it's
not
my
prime
thought
pro,
you
know,
put
part
my
thought
process.
But
it,
you
know,
it
has
to
come
into
it
because
people
are
using
podcasts
as
a
means
of
generating
business,
as
a
means
of
generating,
you
know,
building
their
personal
brand,
for
example,
or
just
connecting
with
people.
So
what
happens
if
you're
if
you
fall
sick
or
if
you
lose
your
voice,
as
I
did,
I
wasn't
able
to
podcast
and
I
hadn't
batch
recorded
multiple
episodes.
So
I
thought
to
myself,
how
how
do
I
do
that
then?
So
I've
I've
cloned
my
voice,
I've
started
to
clone
my
voice,
but
I
haven't
I've
released
a
couple
of
podcasts.
But
I
have
to
say
I
plan
to
do
more
more
cloned
voice
podcasts.
And
I
think
the
way
that
this
particular
um
entrepreneur
has
done
it
is
is
beautiful
because
she
says
she
tells
people
it's
it's
a
clone,
and
it's
it
is
obviously
a
clone
after
you
watch
it
each
episode,
but
you
know,
she
did
it
something
that
really
I
think
people
really
should
think
about
doing.
How
do
you
clone,
even
if
it's
not
cloning
your
voice,
it
could
be
cloning
your
sort
of
your
ideas,
so
you
know
that
process,
yeah,
yeah,
your
thought
processes,
yeah.
Somebody
else
will
do
it
if
you
don't,
and
they
can.
So
that's
just
a
little
taster,
um,
I
guess,
from
Henrik
and
I
about
where
the
show
will
be
going,
where
the
you
know,
it's
this
is
not
everything
that
the
remote
work
like
podcast
will
be
about,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
include
this
because
of
the
things
that
Henry
Henrik
and
I
have
mentioned,
specifically
the
workflows,
working
more
efficiently,
scaling
yourself,
keeping
your
career
on
track,
you
know,
if
you're
if
you're
hiring
people,
how
to
do
it,
you
know,
all
these
different
kinds
of
things
are
really
important,
which
is
why
I
wanted
to
introduce
this
as
part
of
the
Remote
Work
Live
podcast
and
introduce
somebody
like
Henrik
who
you
know
is
into
AI
and
has
my
AI
fluency
as
part
of
his
business.
So,
Henrik,
I
would
really
want
to
say
thank
you
for
joining
me
today.
Uh
it's
been
it's
been
good,
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
how
this
series
is
going
to
progress.
Henrik de Gyor
31:59
Excellent.
Well,
thank
you
so
much,
Alex.
I
appreciate
being
on
the
show
again.
Look
forward
to
the
next
episode.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
32:04
Watch
out
for
the
next
episode.
Speak
to
you
again
soon.
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