RWL227 7 Figure Marketing Founder Shares How To Thrive in Remote Work w/ Neil Ateem

Today's location independent founder, is Neil Ateem. He's co-founder of Multiplayer, a marketing agency that specializes in helping companies achieve revenue growth. They've generated 300 million plus in revenue for renowned brands like Mindvalley, catcher Group, jordan Peterson, coachingcom and many others. Before starting Multiplier, neil was head of subscription at Mindvalley, where he played a pivotal role in building their subscription product, scaling it from zero to an impressive 20 million in earnings in the first year. With more than 10 years of marketing experience behind him, encompassing product launches, marketing strategies, subscription models and digital product expertise, neil is well-versed in a range of industries, including fintech, real estate tech, saas and online education. So, neil, you're more than welcome and thank you for joining me. Hi, alex.

Speaker 2:
0:58

First of all, thank you for having me on so a little bit about myself. I guess it's in the context of remote work and in this field, right? So I actually didn't start out as a remote worker. I'm actually from the Caribbean and I have a background in tech and oil and gas. So I did spend a long time in the corporate world. For example, when I did live in the Caribbean Trinidad and Tobago specifically I worked for five years in the oil and gas field, in tech and IT, and my background was actually computer science.

Speaker 2:
1:34

And after then I was looking for opportunities in the marketing space because I had a deep interest in marketing. I did study business before in high school, but I ended up jumping into tech when I did my degree into computer science specifically and web programming. And, yeah, the marketing field just drove me after that. And then what happened was that I started looking for jobs in the marketing space. I had an and that I had at the same time in parallel with my corporate job, and then from there it just naturally progressed, with me leaving home, moving to Asia, moving to Kuala Lumpur, taking up a job there with a huge company called Mind Valley Some of you may know it.

Speaker 2:
2:20

But after this is when I made the jump into actually becoming somewhat of a remote worker, a nomad, whatever it's called now. But to me it's just about getting that freedom and starting to build my own thing and work for myself. I do have a lot of other experiences that I've had along the way in terms of businesses and stuff that I worked on, but yeah, it's a lot actually, but this is just the fast summary of what actually took place in that journey.

Speaker 1:
2:56

Next, can you describe a personal story or experience that has influenced who you are today?

Speaker 2:
3:04

So I can take off a specific instance actually. So this is me picture this back home in the Caribbean trying to find jobs online. So just to give you context, at the time I did have a corporate job and everything, and back home it's a well-paying job, but compared on a global scale it's nothing right, it's a drop in the bucket. And at the time I'm looking at the options Okay, how do I get a job online? How do I actually make money online and I can travel and do all these things. And then I started looking at different options. I came across I think it's called Amazon Mechanicalk something doing like random manual tasks every day, like clicking stuff and everything, just to make a couple cents or a dollar or something. And then I couldn't even do that right, because, being from the caribbean, you're like I don't know, somehow blacklisted from the banking, basically anything on the outside. It's crazy. As long as you have this nationality, it's very challenging and I know a lot of people who have this struggle as well.

Speaker 2:
4:14

So just getting that first $1 online, it has been a real challenge for me in the very beginning and I didn't have a way to break past this except actually moving physically to a different location and starting making money there. At that time I just couldn't crack the code, I couldn't find a solution because, even if I got something, I would need to set up banking. How do I receive payments, because local banks don't even take payments internationally receive payments because local banks don't even take payments internationally? It's crazy. Now, of course, that is super frustrating, right. So that led me along the path that I am now, so I'm grateful for it as well. But yeah, I remember that particular instance just being there, grinding it out, looking for opportunities on making money abroad and everything or online. Yeah, that has been a real pain and since then, like my mind is open, like the opportunities has come and I see how it's actually possible for someone like me in that situation to actually have access to the outside world, so to say.

Speaker 1:
5:23

As you look back on your life and connect the dots that led you where you are now. What are those dots?

Speaker 2:
5:32

It's a good question, but it's hard to say exactly which dots right, because literally every decision, every choice, every event leads you to where you are. But for me it hasn't been a straight path, and I don't think it is for most people, because of the amount of things that I've done before to get me to where I am and somehow it all pieces together. So I'll just give you some background. Like I said before that, I studied a business in high school, but after that I did go directly into computer science and then the reason, the logic behind me going into computer science, was that I had an interest, first of all, but secondly, I knew it was going to be where everything is headed right. At the time, everyone was starting to get personal computers and this smartphone started to become hugely adopted and everything. So I knew I could anticipate okay, this is where it's going to go tech right, at least. Having a strong background in that, at the time I really loved it Web design, coding, all of these things and I said I started an agency as well. I was providing like web design services, social media marketing services. It was really broad because at that time there wasn't a lot of people doing it right. So you just pull from everywhere and as long as you had some technical knowledge, you'd be able to do really well. And yeah, at the same time I was looking for a corporate job, because having a steady income to pay off debts and everything is what we go through college and everything for. And I did manage to get something. I did get an internship. I had 18 months to prove myself and I did. While I was working my corporate job, I built one of the first mobile, the first mobile app in the company, solidified my position and I ended up staying there for four to five years, as I mentioned earlier.

Speaker 2:
7:27

Now even my time in corporate. I started in the corporate world at 19. Everyone was practically twice my age, sometimes even more right often. But I got to see how a huge corporation runs. It's a multi-billion dollar corporation and I get to see the processes, how people function within teams, the whole dynamic of it. So it really caused me to mature much quicker than I would say if I was on my own or started off at a small company or something like that. So that really sped things up for me and just being around these people day to day, seeing how they think, besides work, how they run their lives and everything. It was really interesting and really fast learning.

Speaker 2:
8:08

And then from there it clicked for me that I have to leave, even maybe a year or two in. But it took a while. Right, paying off debt, finding the opportunity and all of that was a real challenge, but it did come through, because the main thing is persistency. I tried so many times. I got rejected so many times because my nationality and everything didn't have the experience, the whole shebang and but after enough tries something will come through. It's just about continuously testing it out. And then I came to marketing, but my background is tech, is marketing, so it's a lot of things that I have interest in, but it came along somehow with everything that I did before.

Speaker 1:
8:53

Why did you decide to become a leader in your chosen niche?

Speaker 2:
8:57

Well, me it came somewhat natural right. I don't know if I'm one of the top leaders yet, but I will get there. Marketing for me, is something that I enjoy thoroughly. It's my passion. I eat, breathe, sleep marketing and it has gotten me to where I am right now. My life, it's changed my life, so to say my personal life, my income, my passion, how I contribute to the world, like it's all through marketing. And I would say, why did I become this person in my field? It's simply because of interest, it's because of passion and it's because of that drive, that inner drive, to actually pursue this field.

Speaker 2:
9:41

And the thing is, I don't like to compare and say, like I am this person compared to this person or vice versa. However, it's to be recognized, to be seen as a leader in a field or anything, you need to have some sort of accolade to it, you need to have some proven track record, you need to be doing things and it comes as a result of that. So it's more about it's more about focusing on the processes as to the end result all the time, because if you're continuously building, developing, learning new things, testing new things and getting results like for me it's marketing previous jobs where I made like million dollar launches or took products from zero to 20 million in a year, or doing a product launch in a couple of days, generating millions. Like these kind of things. It comes naturally when you focus on the process and optimizing and really looking to deliver results rather than just focus on oh, oh, I just want to be seen as this person, but then there's nothing to back it up.

Speaker 2:
10:46

So first, the first step is building the reputation and actually delivering results, and then it just comes naturally. After that, Even after corporate spending a few years, eight years specifically just going out after that doing freelancing and stuff is okay. How can I replicate the results that I've gotten before for anyone, whether it's a creator monetizing their Instagram and selling online courses, or a big company who's scaling a platform for 50 to 100 million marketing principles? It stays the same across the board writers it's about communicating the value to the potential customer that would part with X amount of dollars for your product service. Whatever it is you're actually delivering. First, you need to learn how to make one dollar, then ten dollars and a hundred dollars, and a thousand and a million, then a hundred million, and it then $10, then $100, then $1,000, then $1,000,000, then $100,000,000. And it doesn't end. Numbers don't end. But yeah, it starts with building up the actual results.

Speaker 1:
12:01

And once you have that, it has a snowball effect afterwards into anything you're actually doing.

Speaker 2:
12:05

What was the best advice anyone ever gave you and did you follow it? So I don't know if it constitutes as advice, but I have a friend and client of mine and he said he said, Neil, you're a ready fire, aim type of person. You should keep that. And it really describes how I am. I don't overthink things, I don't over plan things, I don't over strategize things. Sometimes you just need to get momentum, especially on your projects and ideas right, Because a lot of people I would say nine out of 10 people they're stuck in this ideation stage and for me I've never really had that problem because, like he said, I've always been a ready fire, then aim type of person.

Speaker 2:
12:46

Not the best advice, but it has been given and there's pros and cons to it, of course, but for me it's like the main thing out of that that can be actionable is action right, Is taking action, because this is where most people fall short Just not following through and taking that first step, because it's easy to map anything out and have the best spreadsheets and data and research and read 10 books and do this course and follow this coach or whatever it may be. They always need to do something or learn something before they can do the thing. But I think having that bias towards action and actually taking the first steps and letting it go with momentum, I think that is what is really important. So, based on that remark, which I would constitute as advice, I think that is something that is actionable right there, just taking that action.

Speaker 1:
13:48

And what made you choose remote work and how has it benefited you so?

Speaker 2:
13:53

choosing remote work as an option for me has been like a goal from the beginning, even when I was in corporate, even when I lived in the Caribbean, and that was already six, six, seven years ago since I left. But it took me a while to get to that point, like I mentioned earlier, searching for opportunities online and not getting anything no one wanting to hire. You can't even plug into anything online because you can't get banking or payments or anything like that, just because of your nationality. So it came somewhat out of frustration, because I really love to travel, explore, having that adventurous lifestyle, and remote work was the thing that could support, that would give you the opportunity to be anywhere and just plug into a laptop, plug into Wi-Fi and that's it, get your stuff done. And in terms of benefits, for me it changed my life right. I literally live in different countries at multiple times per year. Right now I'm living with my family in Argentina and we can move as a family because of the fact that I have remote right. For example, we were in Mexico seven months, now we're in Buenos Aires and after that we're gonna go to Europe and then to Asia, who knows, because the options is there right. So basically, it opens things up for you in terms of freedom and choices, and I love, love having that right To me. That's why I work hard to have these options and choices. And besides that, yeah, I think it really pays off financially as well.

Speaker 2:
15:36

If you get really good at what you do, you do a great work. People would happily compensate you for that. I'm in the field of marketing and I have done well in it. It's allowed me to do some really great things.

Speaker 2:
15:51

For example, I built my mama house and I got to do it hands-on because I was working remotely at the time. I was hands-on building this house in the caribbean and it was like one of the most fun projects I did is just building a house during the day, but at night I'm there doing my work, and you can only do that with remote work. And then at time, my client was in Singapore a company there and it allowed me the freedom to do that. So I was earning, delivering my work and still having the opportunity to fly to the Caribbean, be there, build this house hands-on and get it done house from zero to completion, moving in, super fulfilling and, yeah, I can't think of another type of job that would allow something like this to happen. So yeah, I think to me it's a no-brainer with my lifestyle and what I want. I need to be remote and have the option to be remote what are your best tips for organizing your day and staying productive?

Speaker 2:
16:56

so I'll tell you this, being remote and unproductive kind of goes hand in hand for a lot of people right, even for me in the beginning because you go from being in an office and only having to work there to being anywhere and having the option to procrastinate. No one is around, no accountability really. And it gets even worse if you're your own boss, if you're an entrepreneur and this kind of stuff or freelancer, whatever it may be, because there's not much accountability, at least no boss or anything like that. But how can you stay organized and productive? So for me now I've locked it down this way when I move to a place, I live in a triangle somewhat. I have my apartment, I have a co-working space and I have the gym and I circle between these three places 80% of the time. Other than that, maybe sometimes in the evening and stuff. I may go out on the weekends, but now I have a family Not so much going out at night but at least on the weekends and stuff, because what's the point in living in a new place if you don't explore and stuff? And just having that triangle, as I call it, is a huge win for me. Now, specifically within your days and stuff, of course there's things that are going to come up.

Speaker 2:
18:21

However, just time blocking. Blocking having that accountability if you have a team, if you have someone that that you work with, having that accountability, having deliverables, setting your okrs as in what you need to achieve by when, so that things actually move. So it comes down to the individual as well, and with how their working style is and everything, but for me, I think, yeah, just time blocking is one of the most important things, because, so, it comes down to the individual as well and how their working style is and everything, but for me, I think, yeah, just time blocking is one of the most important things, because comms like Slack messages, whatsapps, emails all these things sneak in and break your productivity. So it's like turning off the phone or putting it on airplane mode, whatever it may be, just to actually get real work done. Because then there's meetings as well, and there's so many meetings that are like unproductive or it's just costing a lot of revenue, right? So think about it If you have five people on a team, each making X amount of dollars, and every hour of meetings with everyone, that's costing a lot to the company, right? So you need to think about things this way as well.

Speaker 2:
19:29

That's your entrepreneur, but it can apply across the board, right, it depends on everyone's working style and stuff. But yeah, just being uh accountable I think is a really good start, uh, to begin with. So then you have to push things, because procrastination kind of sneaks in, you know, for everyone, no matter what level. Accountable, I think is a really good start to begin with. So then you have to push things, because procrastination kind of sneaks in, you know, for everyone, no matter what level you may be at. But when you're in flow state and you're actually in execution, sometimes it can go for a day into night, kind of thing, and and that is great when that happens, but it's not all the time, right so now I want to find out more about the company that you're part of.

Speaker 1:
20:02

So can you please begin by telling me more about the company that you're part of and its origin story?

Speaker 2:
20:11

Yeah, sure, Multiply Agency started a couple of years back and it has been a company that I co-founded, of course, with a co-founder, and it's been a natural progression, like because I left the corporate world. Like I said before, I used to be head of subscriptions at Mindvalley and then I launched their product from zero to 20 million in one year. It's a digital subscription to all their programs, online courses, and since then I have been consulting and stuff. But that's not scalable, right? They're just spending hours of my time just being on calls and telling people what to do with their business and how to make more money and scale things up. I naturally progressed towards this model and I pitched it to my co-founder and then, yeah, just like that, in Bali, we decided in one day okay, let's start an agency. And we literally sat one day, we blocked off, we designed a website, write the copy, come up with the offers. Like, literally everything was so fast because it was just something that was that needed to come out, that needed to be in the world, that needed to exist. And yeah, from there since then it's been crazy. We've been growing a lot, hiring everything.

Speaker 2:
21:30

We have a team spread across the world, from Asia to Europe, to me and the Americas. We have clients across the world, from Singapore to Europe to Canada, north America, like everywhere, and we have the funny thing is, for an agency, we haven't done any marketing, it's all been. It would have mouthed. Because that's the thing Once you deliver results, it just comes naturally right. So people start recommending you and sometimes, of course, in agency model, you take on different clients and stuff.

Speaker 2:
22:01

Some people have niches, but for us we're all about scaling and we take companies that just want to scale their marketing. But we have somewhat locked down or gotten a bit tighter. So right now we focus on companies, scale-ups, what we call it and then companies that want to take products, market and then creators, so those with their followers who have emailed us. They really want to get things going. So we came down to those After a long time of testing, had really working with different clients across the world and, yeah, it's been been somewhat. How do I describe this natural progression towards where we are now? Because it modeled on the demand that me and my co-founder had as freelancers at the time and this consultant into this agency or model of having an agency.

Speaker 1:
23:02

And what's unique about the company.

Speaker 2:
23:04

So what I would say is unique is the way we built it from the ground up. There's countless marketing agencies out there Now. A lot of them. They focus on specific things, different niches, all of this, right. What we focus on is on revenue generation, because, at the end of the day, the bottom line how much money the business brings in is one of the main things that matters, right. Everything depends on that. If you can hire, if you can scale, if you can grow, if you can take on different initiatives like a business is essentially a vehicle that generates the revenue. Right, and how you do that is by product services, whatever you deliver.

Speaker 2:
23:44

So we built it from the ground up and that's our main thing that we focus on. It is on generating revenue, and our team is diverse. We're very highly experienced and skilled people brought together by me and my co-founder from around the world, and we all have experience in this, and it can be different methods, right. Whether it's scaling on ads, using ASE campaigns on Meta or Google or YouTube or UGC, or if it's email campaigns or product launch. Like all of these things we have in-house right. We've sourced these talented people that can actually do this, but for the end result of generating revenue. So we don't fixate too much on the methods, because it depends, client by client, on where they are at, what they want, what are their goals, and we actually go in there and create the strategy and help them execute it based on that. So, yeah, the main thing that sets us apart is our singular focus on generating revenue for clients.

Speaker 1:
24:47

What's your philosophy on building a great team?

Speaker 2:
24:50

So, building a great team, I would say first of all, you need to look for A players. You need to get the best hires right. So one of the first things I did when I started hiring is I found the smartest people that I know within my network and I hired them and I didn't really care too much about what it costs like, even if it was me sacrificing and not getting paid. That's just part of it. When you're building a business, right, if you think you need to be making millions of dollars from the very start, then I don't know if that's the best approach For me. I don't mind taking a hit in the beginning, but just getting really good talent and having them produce their best work, because it depends on your business, depends on this, right. If you're producing work for clients in my case, for example, I'm a service-based business we need to deliver really good work and it's important that I have the best people for that.

Speaker 2:
25:47

Now, in terms of a philosophy, the thing is, if you hire these people, they're a players. They're passionate about what they do in my case, is marketing. It builds out itself, so they embody this already and then you set the tone for what the team culture is and stuff, and especially with a remote team it's a bit challenging because you don't have that in-person cadence of having things going meetings, just interaction, water chat, whatever it may be, but, yeah, just having great people. I think the culture naturally builds off of that and then as a leader, it would take you to set the tone, the direction as to where the company is headed, the direction keeping them motivated and everything, and making sure everyone is well compensated, keeping them motivated and everything and making sure everyone is well compensated and, of course, passionate about what they're doing. Because if you have anyone that is not passionate and just not at that a player level, of course it's going to bring down the rest of the quality of the team as well can you talk me through the steps of your hiring process?

Speaker 1:
26:58

how would you describe the company's success so far?

Speaker 2:
27:01

Yeah, so far, I would think I would say so far. I would say it's been really solid, a solid growth trajectory, like starting off with just two of us co-founders and now we have a distributed team across the world. We've got six people always looking to hire more steady clients. Most agencies out there they're always in acquisition mode trying to get a client trying to get a client because they have high churn right, so they're in the business of getting new clients. But we're more focused on retaining, delivering the best quality, the best results for our clients, and I think that has helped us a lot actually get to where we are now in a short space of time.

Speaker 2:
27:46

We're growing probably more than 100% year on year. I don't even pay so much details to the numbers because I'm so in it, but yeah, because I know we are growing a lot and I'm not fixated on a specific metric like that. It's just how do I deliver the best quality, how do I get the best clients and how do I build a world-class team around that? And, yeah, just keep the momentum going. It's been pretty solid, built on the back that we try to always under promise and over deliver and, of course, keep the quality top notch and aim for results always because we are a performance-based marketing agency. It's very important that we actually deliver results right, because then we won't have anything to show. We won't have anything to prove to future clients as well, or even to our own clients or, most importantly, to ourselves, that we are competent, that we can actually deliver results.

Speaker 1:
28:45

And what's next on the horizon?

Speaker 2:
28:48

So what's next? I guess this is somewhat private, but I don't mind sharing. So right now we have the agency arm, but what we're building is an academy to actually help future marketers, freelancers, online entrepreneurs, wherever it may be, to this level, because we have so much exposure to so many companies and so many niches, we know what's actually working, what's actually current for this time, right now, right here, on what's converting, what's getting people to buy, what scaling companies, what metrics, how to do your creatives, everything Whether it's copywritingwriting, course creation, all of these things, because we're a team that oversees hundreds of millions in ads being spent, courses being created. We sell everything from a one dollar product to a hundred k product. So we have a lot of experience and this is knowledge that we can share out there. We are working actively right now on building out that academy. So we're going to be calling it Multiply Academy and we're aiming to launch it this year, later on this year. So right now we just have Multiply Agency and, of course, the goal is to scale that up as much as possible at the same time. The goal is to scale that up as much as possible at the same time. Yeah, just focusing on that element on that business while we build this as well.

Speaker 2:
30:33

I would say, yeah, that's the next thing, and, of course, we're always looking for the next company that can take off or creator that can take off, for example. Example, we work with creators and some of them we partner with and then they may have an instagram following. For example, we have this one person who has 150k followers on instagram. We were able to generate 128 grand in one week from launching his online program from him because he didn't know how to do it before. He has done launches and stuff made a couple grand, but didn't know how to do it before.

Speaker 2:
31:00

He has done launches and stuff made a couple of grand, but didn't know how to do it this way, selling things like high ticket and everything, and yeah, and then giving our companies that we work with as well the best results possible. Like right now, we're helping a company scale from 50 to 100 million. So the thing is, the fixation for us is on delivering the results and for us it just naturally works out in our favor. Right. Once we deliver those results, they'll be happy to compensate us for the value we have delivered. So, yeah, that's a little bit about where we're heading.

Speaker 1:
31:31

Next, Is there a particular team or company whose culture you admire?

Speaker 2:
31:38

Yes, as I mentioned, I used to work in Mindvalley before and we had a really good culture there, as in.

Speaker 2:
31:44

Everyone was mission-oriented, bringing impact to humanity, impacting billion lives, and then the team as well has been really solid there, like we're still all of us, we're still friends to this day and probably lifetime for sure.

Speaker 2:
32:02

But the thing is that culture there that we built up was really around camaraderie and focusing on the team and not the individual so much, and really supporting and helping each other, at the same time having fun doing things outside of work and stuff together. And and you would think that, oh, as I worked in the corporate world before oil and gas, traditional industry you don't see that so much. Everyone is friends and doing things outside of work and stuff. But in this instance it was so much different and that is something I really admire and something I do have in my company today as well. I think it's important when you work with the people that you enjoy being around and are friends with. It just makes it so much better because we spend so much of our lives like one third of our lives and more actually working right, almost an entire working waking day is spent on work, so might as well enjoy with people you like to be around.

Speaker 2:
32:58

So fostering that culture of collaboration and being friends and all that, it's really solid and, as we begin to wrap up, what excites you about what's ahead so I would say right now the hype is on ai and everything, and I'm really excited for that right, because there's so many tools and platforms and software and everything that's being created today to basically make our processes, our workflows, our daily lives work faster, better, sometimes, more quality Not always, but if we come to Reliant. But I would say what excites me about this is the fact that marketing my field is based on human psychology. So with AI, with all the tools out there, it's very logical. It's very focused on the numbers, right, which is huge, and we rely on numbers a lot, right? Numbers help us make decisions.

Speaker 2:
33:55

I think having that human element would be even more in demand in the future, while everyone becomes more reliant on these tools and technologies and everything, because you can have AI write your code, build your apps, whatever it is, but you need someone who understands human beings. At the end of the day, if you're selling to human beings and I'm excited about that I think there would be somewhat of a renaissance where really understanding customers, understanding how the markets think, behavioral-wise and everything, of course, enhance with AI and the tools and everything for the data, the numbers and everything and, of course, getting suggestions, but you still need that human element. I think that it's going to be even more in demand in the future as people become more reliant on these tools and everything. It's just knowing how to work with it and not let it just take over and become the only source and what do you like to do when you're not working?

Speaker 2:
34:57

yeah, so I have a lot of hobbies and passions, but I recently became a father so that kind of occupies a lot of my time while I'm not working. But other than that I really like working out. I like to travel obviously I'm traveling with my family with a six-month-old baby now, but yeah, I like rock climbing, I like gymnastics, I like calisthenics Just adventure stuff and, of course, just hanging out with friends having fun. And I think learning it takes up a lot of my time as well. I'm always reading, studying, doing some course something when I'm not working, and I'm at the point right now where even work doesn't really feel like work most of the time because I'm doing what I enjoy right, like literally people are paying me to help them make more money and paying me at the same time to do that. So it's fun for me because I learn so much every single day.

Speaker 2:
35:55

I get to talk to CEOs on a daily basis who build companies, are making millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions. Some of them are even billionaires sometimes and I get to learn from them while they're paying me to optimize their stuff or teach them something that I know I'm learning at the same time. So to me. It blends my work but, yeah, outside of work it blends my work but, yeah, outside of work. I do try to keep that time separate from my family, for my hobbies, for my interests as well. So I think it's important as well. When you leave something just sitting and you come back to it, you get a fresh perspective in everything. So it is important. I don't always heed this advice, but yes, it is necessary and I acknowledge that as well.

Speaker 1:
36:41

That's it for today's episode of the Remote Work Life podcast, but if you're a location, independent freelancer, solopreneur, founder or leader and want to provide a case study for the Remote Work Life podcast, get in touch with me via LinkedIn using the link below in the show notes.