FROM THE ARCHIVE: This replay focuses on my conversation with Dipesh Patni, Founder of GravitasQ. Dipesh shares his journey from a high-flying sales career to mastering SEO, revealing the challenges and skills required to stand out in a competitive industry. This episode gives practical advice for anyone looking for personal and business growth within digital marketing while maintaining productivity and mental well-being.
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Alex Wilson-Campbell
0:00
Hello
everybody
.
It's
Alex
from
the
Remote
Work
Life
podcast
and
I'm
here
with
Dipesh
Patni
.
Dipesh
Patni
is
somebody
I've
known
for
a
number
of
years
and
he's
had
an
influence
in
my
career
.
We'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
in
a
little
while
.
But
Dipesh
is
the
founder
of
GravitasQ
.
Having
spent
many
years
in
digital
marketing
for
a
top
agency
called
PhD
,
he's
now
a
digital
marketing
consultant
.
He's
gone
from
actually
managing
a
team
of
70
,
I
believe
it
is
to
now
setting
up
his
own
consultancy
which
deals
with
helping
digital
marketing
agencies
as
well
as
client-side
work
as
well
,
and
I'm
going
to
get
a
deep
press
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
in
a
little
while
.
But
deepesh
is
also
a
partner
with
help
for
addiction
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
0:56
So
this
is
something
that
as
well
might
interest
you
as
well
,
and
I
think
this
particular
podcast
will
interest
you
.
If
you
there's
a
couple
of
things
actually
um
,
if
you've
,
if
you've
transferred
from
,
if
you've
transferred
or
want
to
transfer
from
a
digital
marketing
scenario
co-located
scenario
to
a
remote
scenario
.
As
well
as
that
,
if
you
are
struggling
as
well
with
working
from
home
,
being
isolated
.
So
those
are
two
areas
that
we're
going
to
cover
in
today's
show
.
So
I
just
want
to
really
say
thank
you
,
dipesh
,
to
you
for
joining
us
today
.
Thank
you
so
much
.
Dipesh Pattni
1:33
No
problem
at
all
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
1:34
Hey
.
Dipesh Pattni
1:35
Alex
,
thanks
for
having
me
on
as
well
.
Appreciate
taking
the
time
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
1:39
No
problem
,
no
problem
.
What
I
want
to
find
out
,
what
I
want
you
to
tell
the
audience
,
first
and
foremost
,
dps
,
we
want
a
bit
of
a
backstory
about
you
.
How
did
you
come
to
be
becoming
a
consultant
,
working
from
home
,
having
you
know
um
,
built
your
way
up
through
mainly
seo
,
digital
marketing
?
Dipesh Pattni
2:00
just
tell
us
your
backstory
yeah
,
sure
,
sure
,
so
,
so
actually
like
,
so
I
think
,
a
large
proportion
of
my
career
was
working
at
PhD
and
you
know
that
was
approximately
nine
years
.
Dipesh Pattni
2:14
Before
I
actually
went
into
that
,
I
was
in
sales
and
I
actually
enjoyed
being
in
sales
.
It
was
exciting
,
sales
was
exciting
and
I
was
exciting
and
I
loved
going
in
for
the
sale
and
closing
deals
down
and
stuff
.
But
then
I
kind
of
got
to
a
point
where
I
was
like
,
well
,
I've
got
all
these
IT
skills
,
I
love
the
whole
marketing
aspect
of
things
,
so
I
want
to
be
a
.
So
I
want
to
find
myself
,
put
myself
in
a
position
where
I'm
a
full
on
expert
at
something
and
not
just
detailed
.
And
that
kind
of
led
me
down
a
path
which
actually
initially
didn't
work
out
really
well
,
because
I
was
trying
to
get
an
SEO
job
.
I'd
heard
of
SEO
from
university
and
things
like
that
,
and
do
you
know
what
?
Nobody
would
hire
me
for
an
SEO
job
.
So
,
yeah
,
with
no
experience
you
know
,
it's
that
whole
chicken
and
egg
thing
you
don't
have
any
experience
,
so
we
don't
think
that
you
know
you're
the
right
person
for
the
job
.
Okay
,
fine
,
great
.
So
what
I
ended
up
doing
was
learning
SEO
from
searching
on
and
that
led
me
on
to
setting
up
my
own
you
know
small
SEO
outfit
.
Anyways
,
I
don't
want
to
spend
too
much
time
on
that
because
,
to
be
honest
,
it
was
a
terrible
.
It
worked
out
terribly
.
I
took
on
a
few
clients
.
I
was
having
problems
getting
money
from
clients
and
things
like
that
.
Seo
was
in
very
early
days
then
and
a
lot
of
people
still
weren't
like
you
know
,
it
wasn
,
it
wasn't
a
thing
to
do
yet
on
the
internet
.
So
what
happened
was
that
kind
of
.
Dipesh Pattni
3:49
I
did
do
some
freelancing
projects
and
PhD
in
freelancer
and
I
initially
went
to
interview
this
freelancer
but
they
offered
me
a
full-time
role
and
said
it's
not
a
freelance
position
,
now
,
it's
a
full-time
role
.
Dipesh Pattni
4:02
Are
you
interested
?
You're
going
to
get
to
work
on
clients
like
Sainbury's
and
back
then
Cadbury's
,
um
,
and
things
like
that
.
And
I
was
like
,
wow
,
true
,
yeah
.
So
I
joined
PhD
on
that
basis
,
um
,
absolutely
frightened
on
my
first
day
because
I
,
you
know
,
I
went
into
a
job
where
obviously
I
demonstrated
some
SEO
abilities
,
but
I
only
knew
my
SEO
abilities
on
a
smaller
client
or
somebody
that
can
self-taught
themselves
from
home
,
thinking
that
,
okay
,
there's
going
to
be
people
there
that
are
going
to
know
way
more
than
me
.
I
get
there
and
actually
,
you
know
,
the
levels
are
pretty
similar
,
the
skill
sets
are
pretty
similar
and
,
if
anything
,
I
had
a
slight
advantage
because
I
thought
that
SEOs
should
know
how
to
build
websites
back
then
if
you
were
going
to
work
in
a
big
agency
or
something
like
that
,
and
it
turns
out
,
most
SEOs
didn't
know
how
to
build
a
website
or
code
or
things
like
that
,
and
I
did
did
because
I
taught
myself
that
at
home
,
thinking
that's
what
an
SEO
should
know
.
Dipesh Pattni
5:07
So
,
you
know
,
cut
long
story
short
,
I
had
a
very
,
very
good
career
at
PhD
,
and
PhD
still
remains
really
close
to
my
heart
as
a
business
.
You
know
,
I've
always
wanted
to
see
them
going
up
and
never
down
,
because
you
,
they
made
me
in
many
ways
Whilst
.
I
did
a
great
job
there
and
I
,
you
know
,
got
a
lot
of
value
recognition
.
I
got
lots
of
exposure
to
building
my
network
,
to
,
you
know
,
speaking
publicly
and
things
like
that
.
You
know
they
did
a
lot
for
me
as
much
as
,
you
know
,
I
put
the
hard
work
in
.
So
,
you
know
,
yeah
,
it's
definitely
.
You
know
,
a
PhD
is
one
of
the
highlights
of
my
life
at
the
time
I
spent
there
because
I
went
from
,
you
know
,
a
very
junior
SEO
to
becoming
head
of
SEO
,
running
the
team
,
rebuilding
the
team
,
you
know
,
taking
that
team
into
,
you
know
,
a
very
high
level
of
revenue
from
where
it
started
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
6:00
How
big
was
your
team
?
Dipesh Pattni
6:03
So
when
I
first
got
there
,
there
was
only
actually
two
of
us
or
three
of
us
.
There
was
only
three
of
us
and
we
didn't
even
have
a
head
of
SEO
.
A
head
of
SEO
and
things
like
that
came
afterwards
and
so
that
initial
team
I
was
working
in
as
a
junior
member
was
only
a
team
of
five
.
Yeah
,
a
team
of
five
,
I
think
.
By
the
time
we
were
done
we
were
a
team
of
ten
.
By
the
time
when
I
became
head
of
SEO
,
we
were
still
a
team
of
five
.
I
kind
of
doubled
that
to
a
team
of
ten
until
I
was
offered
the
job
to
then
manage
the
performance
digital
channels
,
right
?
So
the
performance
digital
channels
included
affiliates
,
paid
search
,
social
media
and
the
newly
developed
content
team
which
we
had
just
started
building
.
So
I
spent
two
years
running
that
team
and
,
kind
of
you
know
,
that
team
significantly
grew
.
To
be
honest
,
I
can't
take
the
credit
for
all
of
the
growth
,
because
it
was
a
joint
effort
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
7:12
Team
effort
,
yeah
massively
.
Dipesh Pattni
7:16
Firstly
,
I
recognize
that
we
had
lots
of
resource
problems
initially
.
So
I
went
and
spoke
to
some
of
the
you
know
,
the
heads
,
the
CEOs
,
that
look
,
if
we're
going
to
build
the
best
team
,
then
we
need
X
,
y
and
Z
and
to
their
credit
,
they
signed
off
X
,
y
and
Z
and
said
,
yeah
,
let's
do
it
then
.
So
you
know
,
that
led
to
growth
and
,
at
the
same
,
time
we
were
winning
lots
of
big
business
which
?
Dipesh Pattni
7:43
PhD
still
got
and
then
won
more
afterwards
.
So
you
know
,
I
imagine
that
team
is
bigger
now
.
But
you
know
,
running
that
team
was
,
it
was
absolutely
spectacular
.
I
loved
it
.
It
was
the
first
year
,
was
the
hardest
year
I've
ever
had
in
my
whole
career
life
,
in
my
whole
career
,
because
it
was
stressful
.
Put
it
that
way
,
it
was
stressful
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
8:03
Well
,
I
suppose
,
when
you're
,
I
had
a
similar
kind
of
scenario
to
you
,
because
when
I
actually
dipesh
helped
me
out
,
let
me
.
Let
me
tell
you
a
bit
of
my
story
about
how
I
met
dipesh
,
because
there
was
a
time
when
I
was
making
a
transition
,
uh
,
into
seo
as
well
.
I
also
went
the
self-taught
route
,
as
as
dipesh
did
.
You
know
,
I
built
websites
myself
and
dabbled
with
different
wordpress
blogs
to
experiment
with
how
I
could
boost
,
boost
traffic
organically
,
um
,
but
I
came
to
dipesh
because
I
was
at
a
time
where
I
was
reaching
out
to
my
network
and
dipesh
was
on
my
network
and
I
asked
Dipesh
you
know
what
what
his
thoughts
were
on
on
agency
as
opposed
to
working
client-side
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
8:50
And
Dipesh
gave
me
so
much
advice
,
which
is
which
really
steered
my
career
along
the
course
of
SEO
and
the
way
he
gave
advice
and
I
think
everybody
needs
to
be
like
Dipesh
in
the
network
the
way
he
gave
the
advice
.
It
was
totally
impartial
.
He
didn't
sort
of
have
any
bias
one
way
or
another
and
he
gave
advice
in
such
a
way
that
was
he
was
well
,
for
one
,
he
was
very
busy
,
and
so
he
was
very
kind
and
very
,
you
know
,
very
good
,
generous
with
his
time
.
But
two
,
he
had
so
much
in
terms
of
his
own
experience
to
give
and
to
share
.
He
was
a
he's
a
very
much
a
sharing
Career Transition and Freelance Networking
Alex Wilson-Campbell
9:27
person
.
So
,
dipesh
this
I
wanted
to
say
because
I
mean
this
is
the
first
time
I've
met
Dipesh
actually
face
to
face
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
for
you
for
that
no
,
that's
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
9:39
Okay
,
mate
anytime
you
know
,
you
know
I'm
here
.
Dipesh Pattni
9:41
Um
,
I
think
it's
important
to
help
people
out
in
their
career
anyway
,
because
you
know
like
we're
talking
now
you
do
podcasts
and
I'm
here
.
I
think
it's
important
to
help
people
out
in
their
career
anyway
,
because
you
know
like
we're
talking
now
you
do
podcasts
and
I'm
on
your
podcast
.
I
probably
wouldn't
be
on
your
podcast
,
you
know
,
had
we
not
had
conversations
in
the
past
,
right
,
true
?
So
you
know
everything
goes
round
in
circles
and
the
other
thing
is
there
are
lots
of
kids
and
stuff
out
there
who
are
just
starting
their
careers
,
or
there's
people
who
want
a
career
switch
right
and
they
need
somebody
to
go
to
that
as
impartial
and
offer
them
good
advice
and
I
never
had
that
when
I
was
starting
my
career
.
Dipesh Pattni
10:15
So
you
know
,
and
I
wish
I
did
and
,
to
be
honest
,
credit
to
you
because
you
had
the
initiative
to
say
,
oh
look
,
I've
got
this
guy
to
pay
.
He's
on
my
network
,
he's
an
SEO
,
let
me
reach
out
to
him
.
You
know
,
I
wasn't
as
forthcoming
as
that
when
I
was
younger
and
when
I
was
,
you
know
,
looking
at
career
changes
and
stuff
.
I
wish
I
was
more
open
and
honest
back
then
.
But
it's
because
I
kind
of
believe
that
I've
just
got
to
get
on
with
it
.
I've
got
to
do
it
myself
.
That's
not
how
it
works
.
You've
got
to
tap
into
your
network
.
People
will
do
it
,
I'll
help
you
out
and
you
help
them
out
.
I
think
that's
the
best
way
to
do
business
and
that's
the
way
you
enjoy
it
the
most
.
I
agree
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
10:55
I
agree
.
I'm
intrigued
actually
,
dipesh
,
because
you've
gone
from
being
really
successful
with
PhD
.
You've
built
a
good
relationship
with
the
people
there
.
You've
had
a
good
stint
there
.
You've
had
9
years
there
.
You
built
up
a
team
.
How
big
was
your
team
?
Did
you
say
70
?
Dipesh Pattni
11:14
Yeah
,
it
was
about
70
by
the
time
I
left
,
so
you've
built
all
that
up
now
why
switch
right
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
11:22
What
made
you
want
to
switch
to
working
at
BESO
?
This
is
the
hardest
decision
I've
made
in
my
life
.
Why
switch
right
?
Yeah
,
what
made
you
?
Dipesh Pattni
11:24
want
to
switch
to
working
for
yourself
.
This
is
the
hardest
decision
I
ever
made
in
my
life
,
and
even
when
I
decided
that
I'm
going
to
set
up
on
my
own
,
I
wasn't
totally
convinced
in
my
own
head
,
and
even
my
wife
was
like
look
,
if
you're
going
to
do
this
,
you
do
it
now
All
right
.
Dipesh Pattni
11:43
So
why
I
switched
?
Okay
,
I
loved
everything
about
my
job
and
stuff
,
but
there
was
always
that
something
at
the
back
of
my
head
telling
me
that
you
know
,
I
still
want
to
set
up
on
my
own
.
I
still
want
to
set
up
on
my
own
and
I
had
attempted
it
before
and
failed
,
and
that
never
left
me
.
Because
I
tried
to
set
up
a
seo
business
and
I
failed
.
That
part
never
left
me
.
Because
I
tried
to
set
up
a
SEO
business
and
I
failed
,
that
part
I'd
never
left
me
.
It
was
always
still
there
that
you
know
,
I
tried
to
do
,
that
didn't
work
out
.
And
so
I
said
you
know
,
I'm
gonna
give
it
a
go
again
.
And
the
other
big
reason
for
it
was
my
life
had
changed
.
I
had
a
door
right
.
My
door
was
yeah
,
my
door
was
approaching
one
,
yeah
.
So
the
month
that
she
was
going
to
turn
one
in
is
the
month
I
basically
I
think
that's
the
month
I
resigned
or
left
,
because
that
first
year
of
her
life
,
what
was
happening
was
,
by
the
time
I
got
home
,
she
was
always
in
bed
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
12:39
I
know
that
feeling
.
Yeah
,
not
a
good
feeling
is
it
when
you
get
back
home
and
she's
asleep
or
they're
asleep
.
So
I
hear
yeah
absolutely
,
yeah
,
exactly
um
.
Dipesh Pattni
12:52
And
so
that's
what
was
uh
,
that's
what
was
actually
really
like
um
.
It
started
,
it
was
starting
to
affect
me
because
I
was
like
I'm
not
even
getting
to
see
my
daughter
grow
up
.
So
I
said
something
has
to
change
.
And
the
time
just
presented
itself
where
,
actually
,
all
right
,
let's
set
up
.
I
just
decided
that
I'm
going
to
set
up
a
mom
at
that
point
because
I
said
that
that
way
,
initially
,
I
can
work
from
home
,
I'll
be
able
to
watch
my
daughter
grow
up
.
Okay
,
I
might
not
make
the
same
money
I
did
,
and
you
know
it's
going
to
be
tough
and
I'm
going
to
have
to
build
the
business
up
and
things
like
that
.
But
at
least
I'm
not
going
to
miss
out
or
regret
,
uh
,
the
decision
of
um
,
of
,
of
,
you
know
,
of
spending
time
with
my
daughter
.
And
you
know
I
won't
have
those
regrets
when
I
grow
,
you
know
,
when
I'm
old
or
when
I'm
like
looking
back
and
they're
and
she's
20
years
old
or
something
and
I
don't
want
to
feel
like
man
.
Why
didn't
I
spend
more
time
with
her
as
a
baby
?
Alex Wilson-Campbell
13:47
And
you
can
never
get
that
time
back
,
can
you
?
Dipesh Pattni
13:50
No
,
you
can't
,
because
I
think
the
older
kids
get
the
less
time
they
want
to
spend
with
their
parents
until
they
hit
about
30
or
40
,
and
then
they
kind
of
gravitate
back
to
their
parents
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
14:01
Yes
,
yes
.
Dipesh Pattni
14:03
Yeah
.
So
it's
really
weird
like
that
.
Um
,
so
I
I
just
didn't
want
to
miss
that
,
so
I
said
,
okay
,
I'm
going
to
make
a
decision
,
I'm
going
to
give
it
a
go
and
I'm
going
to
see
how
I
get
on
,
and
if
it
gets
really
bad
,
then
I'll
look
at
contracting
,
I'll
look
at
other
options
and
go
from
there
.
Um
,
so
,
yeah
,
and
the
other
thing
,
what
?
Dipesh Pattni
14:22
At
the
time
when
I
was
quitting
,
I
didn't
know
what
my
proposition
for
Lee
was
,
and
it
kind
of
developed
because
what
GravitasQ
does
essentially
is
it's
not
just
digital
marketing
.
Yes
,
we
can
deliver
your
SEO
.
The
SEO
is
usually
delivered
by
me
as
well
,
as
you
know
the
front
man
for
that
.
We
deliver
PPC
,
we
do
social
media
as
well
,
and
everything
is
based
on
performance
.
So
it's
about
the
types
of
clients
that
will
come
to
us
,
the
people
that
want
to
drive
sales
and
want
to
do
lead
gen
on
something
like
Facebook
.
They
want
to
do
lead
gen
on
PPC
.
They're
doing
SEO
because
they
want
more
sales
.
Dipesh Pattni
15:00
It's
not
necessarily
a
branding
exercise
,
and
the
best
way
to
deliver
performance
is
have
somebody
that
has
been
around
and
somebody
that
has
got
the
experience
and
knows
what
is
going
to
work
and
what
isn't
going
to
work
.
So
the
way
GrabTaskQ
works
is
that
I
basically
have
built
a
network
of
a
lot
of
freelancers
people
I've
worked
with
in
the
past
,
people
I've
trained
as
well
in
the
past
,
as
well
as
some
newer
people
I've
met
along
the
way
.
Now
these
freelancers
,
they
have
five
to
ten
years'
experience
.
They
have
more
experience
than
you
would
get
at
a
bigger
agency
.
So
if
you're
a
client
and
you
hire
an
agency
,
a
lot
of
the
time
that
agency
is
gonna
have
somebody
that
either
that
is
a
grad
working
in
your
business
,
that
has
one
years
experience
working
in
your
business
,
or
two
years
it's
working
.
Dipesh Pattni
15:51
You
know
it's
very
effective
it's
rare
that
they're
gonna
get
that
person
that's
five
to
ten
years
working
on
their
business
,
because
you
know
that
person
who's
been
in
the
game
for
ten
years
is
is
.
You
know
,
I'm
gonna
be
managing
a
team
of
78
people
like
myself
right
.
Dipesh Pattni
16:06
So
the
way
gravitas
q
works
is
that
I'm
tapping
into
all
the
people
that
no
longer
want
to
be
in
that
um
in
that
space
or
working
for
an
agency
and
they
want
to
contract
and
they
like
the
execution
side
of
things
,
they
like
working
on
clients
,
businesses
and
you
know
,
campaigns
and
stuff
like
that
and
they're
not
that
concerned
about
the
management
and
managing
people
side
of
things
.
So
those
are
the
people
I've
now
tapped
into
because
I'm
bringing
a
lot
of
experience
to
the
table
for
a
client
that
they're
not
always
going
to
get
the
right
recommendations
and
the
right
answers
from
someone
that
only
has
one
or
two
years
in
the
business
versus
somebody
that
has
five
to
ten
years
in
the
business
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
16:44
And
I
guess
you
,
because
you've
also
built
up
your
networks
,
you've
got
a
great
network
yourself
of
not
only
people
who
you've
worked
with
on
other
projects
while
you've
been
at
PhD
,
but
through
the
years
you
can
vet
those
people
.
Having
worked
with
them
Absolutely
,
yeah
,
you
can
actually
say
,
you
know
,
I
could
put
my
hat
on
this
guy
or
this
,
this
person
here
,
because
I
I've
seen
their
work
,
I
know
what
they're
all
about
and
I
think
that
that's
that
as
well
.
It's
it's
,
it's
really
it's
quite
difficult
,
I
I
believe
,
to
find
um
,
good
people
at
the
level
that
you
want
them
,
because
often
you
lots
of
people
these
days
,
people
who
may
only
have
one
or
two
years
experience
in
marketing
,
and
claim
that
they've
got
,
you
know
,
they're
a
marketing
expert
,
sort
of
thing
.
Dipesh Pattni
17:37
So
you
know
it's
a
huge
problem
actually
,
because
so
a
lot
of
the
clients
that
come
to
me
,
um
,
you
know
,
because
I'll
be
honest
with
you
,
I
am
not
the
cheapest
person
to
come
to
if
you're
a
smaller
business
,
but
I
do
have
smaller
business
clients
and
the
ones
that
have
come
to
me
are
usually
people
that
have
been
burnt
in
doing
their
hire
to
do
their
SEO
and
their
PPC
and
stuff
.
What
usually
happens
is
smaller
business
.
They
can't
afford
to
necessarily
pay
big
,
big
money
for
having
PPC
delivered
for
them
or
SEO
delivered
for
them
,
and
there's
nobody
that's
ever
managed
the
expectations
in
SEO
because
SEO
takes
time
.
You
know
,
you
gotta
,
you
gotta
,
you
gotta
say
that
,
okay
,
I'm
gonna
,
I'm
gonna
do
SEO
for
a
year
,
six
months
and
I
want
to
look
at
the
results
over
that
period
of
time
.
When
you
initially
start
yeah
but
there's
no
.
Dipesh Pattni
18:27
No
one
ever
manages
the
expectations
.
So
with
the
smaller
businesses
,
what
happens
is
they
get
burnt
and
then
they
either
decide
SEO
is
no
good
.
Yeah
,
exactly
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
18:40
Absolutely
yeah
,
yeah
.
Dipesh Pattni
18:42
You
know
,
this
is
the
fight
I'm
in
,
because
that's
what
a
lot
of
people
will
be
like
SEO
doesn't
work
anymore
and
they
keep
seeing
all
these
ads
on
about
advertising
and
so
then
they
start
blocking
off
there
and
stuff
like
that
.
But
actually
to
do
digital
,
well
,
you
should
be
doing
SEO
,
you
should
be
doing
some
Facebook
,
you
should
be
doing
some
PPC
,
you
should
be
even
looking
at
affiliate
programs
and
things
like
that
.
Dipesh Pattni
19:04
All
of
that
combined
these
days
is
what
drives
business
growth
.
And
so
,
yeah
,
they
decide
SEO
doesn't
work
.
That's
one
side
.
Then
there's
the
very
persistent
ones
that
say
,
no
,
my
mate
did
it
and
he
did
really
well
out
of
it
,
or
my
competitor
did
it
and
they
did
really
well
out
of
it
.
I've
clearly
not
got
the
right
person
in
here
,
or
I've
clearly
.
This
is
how
I
actually
became
.
One
of
the
ways
I
became
a
partner
in
Healthful
Addiction
as
well
was
we
met
through
the
fact
that
he
had
had
a
bad
experience
with
previous
SEO
company
and
we
kind
of
did
a
partnership
where
I
would
join
and
work
on
the
website
and
you
know
,
we
would
kind
of
monitor
that
partnership
and
it's
gone
really
well
.
But
you
know
this
is
I
get
a
lot
of
people
that
have
been
banned
and
how
comes
,
and
I
have
conversations
with
them
.
I
can't
always
sign
them
all
up
because
some
clients
will
still
be
a
little
bit
hesitant
.
Dipesh Pattni
20:02
Yeah
,
of
course
,
some
clients
will
still
they
won't
want
to
spend
the
amount
that
I
estimated
it's
going
to
take
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
20:10
Because
they
want
immediate
results
,
don't
they
usually
?
Dipesh Pattni
20:12
Yeah
,
immediate
results
and
low
cost
.
So
some
clients
it
doesn't
work
with
,
but
with
many
clients
it
does
and
this
is
where
you
know
,
to
be
honest
,
I've
been
doing
quite
well
out
of
the
fact
that
people
have
been
a
burden
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
20:27
Not
that
I
like
that
fact
.
Yeah
,
of
course
I
know
what
you
mean
.
Dipesh Pattni
20:30
It's
just
a
common
story
that's
coming
to
me
all
the
time
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
20:33
It's
so
hard
,
though
,
to
find
.
It's
hard
to
find
good
SEOs
,
and
I
suppose
,
now
that
you've
gone
remote
as
well
,
especially
,
obviously
you've
built
your
network
.
But
how
is
that
going
?
What
are
the
challenges
now
that
you
face
with
your
,
with
your
remote
team
?
Dipesh Pattni
20:49
Yeah
,
so
you
know
,
there
are
a
lot
of
challenges
from
working
remote
and
I
think
,
obviously
,
this
is
all
quite
.
I
think
a
lot
of
the
country
is
working
remote
currently
due
to
current
circumstances
,
so
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
challenges
in
the
workplace
as
well
.
Navigating Challenges of Working Alone
Dipesh Pattni
21:07
The
biggest
challenges
I
faced
,
from
going
from
a
big
agency
to
suddenly
sitting
in
a
room
by
myself
,
um
,
was
a
few
actually
.
Firstly
,
you
know
that
that
feeling
of
loneliness
I'm
I've
got
four
walls
around
me
.
The
only
person
that
ever
comes
to
talk
to
me
is
my
little
girl
.
Right
,
she'll
pop
in
and
she'll
be
like
daddy
,
you
got
food
and
she'll
bring
her
fake
food
and
stuff
.
So
,
yeah
,
and
you
know
that
was
that's
a
highlight
of
my
day
.
It
still
is
.
She
still
does
it
so
,
um
,
and
she'll
only
disturb
me
once
or
twice
.
So
you
know
it's
not
even
a
disturbance
.
Dipesh Pattni
21:42
I'm
happy
for
it
of
course
,
um
,
yeah
,
so
you
know
,
like
that
loneliness
really
kicked
in
,
um
cabin
fever
became
quite
a
big
thing
and
,
um
,
you
know
the
fact
that
I've
got
nobody
to
bounce
ideas
off
.
I'm
somebody
that
bounces
off
other
people
and
I
always
was
,
I'm
always
going
to
be
a
people
person
.
So
I've
had
to
adapt
a
lot
to
how
I
now
operate
because
of
the
fact
that
it's
against
my
brain
.
You
know
,
my
brain
has
always
been
I
need
to
be
around
people
,
I
need
to
be
social
,
I
need
to
be
social
,
I
need
to
be
.
You
know
,
I
I
perform
best
when
I'm
around
others
and
I'm
very
good
at
you
know
,
I
believe
I'm
very
good
at
getting
the
best
out
of
others
as
well
.
So
,
um
,
when
I
transitioned
to
this
,
it
was
suddenly
I'm
lonely
,
what
it's
almost
that
whole
yoda
effect
,
you
know
.
Uh
,
fear
leads
to
anger
and
it
leads
to
sadness
that
sort
of
thing
.
Dipesh Pattni
22:38
So
yeah
you
know
the
loneliness
kicks
in
,
that
loneliness
needs
to
frustration
.
Your
frustration
then
impacts
your
productivity
and
that
productivity
once
you
start
your
productivity
is
not
as
good
your
self-esteem
or
your
self-worth
yeah
,
you
start
questioning
your
self-worth
,
so
there's
knock-on
effects
,
isn't
it
?
Yeah
,
yeah
,
and
that's
when
I
started
kind
of
I
started
asking
myself
have
I
made
the
right
decision
here
?
About
setting
up
on
my
own
and
remember
I
wasn't
initially
,
I
wasn't
making
the
same
money
I
was
making
when
I
was
working
for
an
agency
because
I'd
I'd
worked
my
way
up
to
quite
a
good
level
.
Dipesh Pattni
23:14
So
you
know
,
all
of
that
started
impacting
my
self-worth
and
how
I
feel
about
myself
and
you
know
what
I
kind
of
recognized
from
them
.
Dipesh Pattni
23:21
You
know
,
this
is
obviously
this
is
a
little
bit
difficult
to
talk
about
on
a
podcast
yeah
but
,
um
,
you
know
,
the
moment
you
start
questioning
what
your
self-worth
is
,
you're
in
a
little
bit
of
trouble
because
,
um
,
that
means
you're
not
in
the
right
state
of
mind
.
And
what
I
realized
?
That
actually
the
whole
loneliness
,
the
cabin
fever
,
the
productivity
slipping
,
the
um
,
you
know
how
the
linkage
to
self-worth
all
of
that
was
actually
wasn't
the
problem
,
it
was
the
result
of
,
it
was
the
result
of
um
,
the
bigger
problem
and
that
was
mindset
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
23:59
Yes
,
yeah
,
you
know
mindset
.
Dipesh Pattni
24:01
Having
the
right
mindset
is
the
most
important
thing
,
and
I
think
anybody
who's
working
from
home
and
struggling
right
now
with
the
coronavirus
stuff
going
on
and
being
locked
in
the
house
mindset
is
the
is
the
most
important
thing
that
you
need
to
have
right
to
then
deliver
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
24:17
I
mean
,
you
know
obviously
don't
get
me
wrong
you
can't
just
have
a
great
mindset
and
then
sit
on
your
sofa
and
do
nothing
yeah
,
you
have
to
have
the
right
mindset
and
process
as
well
to
um
do
well
working
at
home
no
,
I
see
,
and
I
also
see
as
well
,
like
a
little
picture
in
my
head
,
because
I
,
I
went
through
this
.
But
when
,
the
more
you
talk
about
this
is
,
the
more
I
recognize
the
,
the
symptoms
that
I
had
in
myself
when
I
,
when
I
first
started
working
from
home
because
,
like
you
said
,
I
,
I
,
I
used
to
blame
my
productivity
in
terms
of
my
you
know
why
I
wasn't
sort
of
achieving
the
goals
that
I
was
.
I
didn't
really
look
at
my
mindset
until
,
you
know
,
until
I
realized
I
was
actually
I
don't
know
how
to
describe
it
much
further
down
right
yeah
,
kind
of
like
.
Dipesh Pattni
25:01
That's
almost
like
your
last
assessment
yeah
first
you
,
yeah
,
first
you're
like
I
need
to
get
an
office
and
so
then
,
you
say
,
okay
,
well
,
you're
still
not
making
that
much
money
,
but
you're
thinking
about
getting
an
office
yeah
,
yeah
right
,
and
but
just
so
that
you
can
make
the
money
you
need
to
make
right
.
Dipesh Pattni
25:15
And
that
was
you
know
.
These
are
the
thoughts
I
was
going
through
.
And
then
I
almost
like
started
saying
well
,
you
know
what
I'm
around
?
My
wife
too
much
,
and
my
wife
and
kids
too
much
,
you
start
to
blame
everybody
else
.
Yeah
,
it's
just
,
you
know
it's
the
wrong
,
because
that's
where
the
problem
is
gonna
lie
can
I
ask
you
something
?
Alex Wilson-Campbell
25:41
what
did
you
do
?
Because
when
,
when
you're
in
that
frame
of
mind
,
right
,
it's
almost
like
things
are
,
it's
almost
like
there's
like
lots
of
pressure
on
top
of
you
and
you
can't
I
suppose
some
people
,
they
may
not
be
able
to
think
straight
,
so
how
do
you
pull
yourselves
up
by
your
bootstraps
and
think
do
that
self-assessment
?
How
do
you
even
do
that
?
You
know
,
do
you
see
what
I
mean
?
Yeah
,
so
.
Dipesh Pattni
26:04
So
that's
a
really
good
question
and
one
of
the
biggest
things
that
I
realized
that
when
I
wake
up
in
the
morning
,
I
need
to
,
I
need
to
set
myself
up
right
,
so
,
um
,
so
to
do
that
,
I
did
a
couple
of
things
.
First
of
all
,
I
put
some
I
like
there's
,
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
motivate
me
.
Like
there's
a
pic
,
there's
a
portrait
,
that
has
always
motivated
me
.
So
I
bought
that
portrait
and
I
put
it
in
my
study
.
So
when
I
walk
into
my
,
the
first
thing
I
see
is
that
portrait
right
.
And
then
the
other
thing
is
you
know
what
,
like
,
what
happens
is
sometimes
you
almost
start
thinking
too
realistically
,
and
you
can't
do
that
when
you're
working
from
home
and
you
don't
have
people
around
you
to
reassure
you
or
,
you
know
,
to
give
you
recognition
or
,
you
know
,
tell
you
you're
doing
a
great
job
.
You
almost
have
to
just
step
out
of
realism
and
just
say
that
,
look
,
being
realistic
is
not
the
way
that
someone
like
Bill
Gates
did
it
,
and
I'm
not
even
trying
to
become
a
Bill
Gates
or
a
.
Dipesh Pattni
27:13
Steve
Jobs
,
but
that's
not
the
way
they
did
it
.
Or
,
you
know
,
rupert
Murdoch
you
think
that
he
went
home
to
his
family
and
told
them
listen
,
I'm
going
to
stick
some
satellites
in
the
sky
and
we're
going
to
get
all
this
news
information
and
we're
going
to
do
all
this
.
What
do
you
think
his
family
said
?
His
family
probably
thought
it
was
completely
extraordinary
right
.
Dipesh Pattni
27:32
Yeah
,
so
you
.
So
you
have
to
take
those
examples
,
and
I
think
that's
important
as
well
.
Motivation
is
important
because
you
should
be
looking
at
quotes
of
what
some
of
these
top
people
are
saying
,
just
like
how
you
do
podcasts
with
CEOs
and
stuff
.
The
information
they
offer
is
valuable
.
Whenever
you
face
a
dark
time
at
home
,
you
should
be
referring
to
that
stuff
.
Whenever
you
face
a
dark
time
at
home
,
you
should
be
referring
to
that
stuff
.
Dipesh Pattni
27:55
That
is
one
exercise
you
can
do
is
,
you
know
,
if
you
don't
want
to
sit
there
and
you
know
,
meditate
or
something
,
go
to
YouTube
,
put
some
motivational
videos
on
and
go
see
what
some
of
these
guys
are
saying
,
because
they
will
tell
you
some
very
,
very
important
things
,
which
not
all
will
apply
to
you
,
but
many
things
will
apply
to
you
,
but
many
things
will
,
and
I
,
I
think
,
I
,
I
think
in
some
cases
,
they'll
say
things
that
will
set
off
like
little
um
,
actually
,
yeah
,
I've
been
been
in
that
situation
myself
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
28:23
That's
what
I'm
going
through
right
now
.
And
you
,
you
,
you
begin
to
realize
that
it's
not
just
you
,
right
,
yeah
,
that's
going
through
that
particular
thing
or
that
particular
issue
.
Dipesh Pattni
28:32
No
,
I
hear
that
,
I
hear
it
,
and
yeah
,
and
the
other
thing
that's
really
good
is
affirmations
.
I
don't
know
,
have
you
ever
tried
affirmations
?
Alex Wilson-Campbell
28:39
yes
,
yes
,
I
do
,
yeah
,
yeah
,
what
which
ones
do
you
suggest
?
Are
there
any
particular
ones
that
you
you
would
use
?
Dipesh Pattni
28:46
I
,
I
,
I
wrote
my
own
because
,
um
,
so
I've
got
about
11
and
remember
what
I
was
telling
you
about
.
I
was
having
some
challenges
because
I
started
questioning
my
self-worth
.
So
I
basically
,
you
know
,
started
building
affirmations
,
really
short
ones
,
they
might
be
four
or
five
,
um
word
sentences
,
and
I'd
have
about
11
of
them
,
and
in
the
morning
,
you
know
,
I
just
start
the
day
like
that
,
and
what
happened
was
I
then
suddenly
stopped
reading
them
,
um
,
you
know
,
and
what
like
for
anybody
that
doesn't
know
what
an
affirmation
is
,
is
basically
just
a
one-liner
.
You
might
say
to
link
yourself
,
um
,
to
remind
yourself
of
who
you
are
,
um
,
or
where
you
want
to
be
,
like
you
might
say
that
you
know
,
I
love
myself
,
uh
,
remind
yourself
,
I've
had
a
very
strong
career
,
um
,
and
I
will
continue
to
do
so
yeah
.
Dipesh Pattni
29:34
I
will
deliver
success
,
regardless
of
how
long
it
takes
,
like
these
are
the
types
you
know
you
have
.
You
have
to
have
affirmations
,
and
you
might
even
have
some
of
something
you're
already
not
yet
.
So
you
might
say
that
I
am
a
millionaire
already
.
Do
you
see
what
I
mean
?
So
yeah
,
you
have
to
have
these
affirmations
,
because
what
happened
to
me
?
Actually
,
I
was
doing
that
formation
for
quite
a
while
and
then
I
stopped
reading
them
.
So
then
I
I
kind
of
said
so
,
I
recorded
them
on
my
phone
okay
,
now
I
just
have
to
press
play
right
when
I
sit
down
at
my
desk
and
that's
it
.
Dipesh Pattni
30:06
That's
good
enough
.
That's
a
good
idea
that's
a
good
idea
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
30:10
It's
a
good
.
That's
actually
a
good
because
what
you
get
on
you've
got
quite
a
lot
of
these
things
on
YouTube
,
but
you
get
other
people
saying
them
.
But
I
think
if
you've
done
what
Dipesh
just
suggested
there
in
terms
of
writing
down
your
affirmation
and
recording
yourself
saying
it
and
also
the
repetition
as
well
,
like
you
said
,
you
can't
just
sort
of
do
it
for
one
or
two
days
and
then
have
a
month
off
and
then
come
back
to
it
after
that
it's
a
,
it's
a
thing
that
you
,
that
you
should
do
,
I
think
,
um
,
on
a
daily
basis
,
you
know
is
do
you
do
it
daily
?
Dipesh Pattni
30:42
so
I
I
generally
do
it
on
a
daily
basis
.
Dipesh Pattni
30:43
There
will
be
days
,
there
are
days
missed
,
and
I'm
going
to
talk
about
process
in
a
minute
actually
,
because
okay
um
,
because
you
know
the
way
,
when
I
talk
about
process
,
I
talk
about
how
do
you
split
up
your
day
and
how
you
operate
now
at
home
versus
how
you
operate
in
office
.
Really
,
I
think
that's
really
key
.
Um
,
but
,
yeah
,
affirmations
I
try
to
do
every
day
.
There
are
days
that
I
missed
,
but
I
do
regret
that
I
missed
that
day
afterwards
.
Yeah
,
um
,
look
like
the
way
I
look
at
it
is
every
little
thing
that
helps
and
there
must
be
a
reason
why
people
say
it
helps
Discovering Personal Productivity Processes
Dipesh Pattni
31:16
.
I
tried
,
I
tried
the
meditation
thing
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
31:18
It
doesn't
work
for
me
right
,
I
tried
to
do
meditation
didn't
work
for
me
.
Dipesh Pattni
31:22
So
I
said
well
,
rather
than
meditation
,
why
can't
affirmations
be
my
meditation
?
Um
,
and
that's
you
know
.
That's
why
I
kind
of
went
down
that
path
,
because
at
the
time
a
lot
of
my
friends
are
talking
about
meditation
,
a
lot
of
gurus
are
talking
about
meditation
and
I
was
like
I
can't
even
like
sit
there
and
,
like
you
know
,
I
basically
get
ants
in
my
pants
when
I
want
my
eyes
.
I
am
in
,
I
am
trouble
sleeping
,
like
it
takes
me
ages
to
fall
asleep
and
you
want
me
to
sit
there
and
meditate
I
can't
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
31:49
It's
not
a
one-size-fits-all
,
is
it
?
It's
not
.
It's
not
a
one-size
,
one
size
fits
all
.
You
have
to
figure
out
what
,
what
works
for
you
,
and
I'm
the
same
.
Meditation
,
um
,
I
mean
,
I've
tried
meditation
myself
,
um
,
and
I
,
yeah
,
I
think
I
prefer
to
just
get
myself
in
a
zone
by
this
,
either
listening
to
a
certain
music
or
um
reading
about
a
certain
somebody
who
I
,
I
really
sort
of
respect
,
or
,
you
know
,
affirmations
or
a
combination
of
those
things
,
and
those
are
the
things
that
really
sort
of
motivate
me
and
sort
of
get
me
in
the
right
frame
of
mind
for
the
day
going
forward
.
Dipesh Pattni
32:25
You
know
,
see
,
you
,
you
have
a
unique
.
You
have
a
unique
method
which
actually
is
built
around
what
you
like
yeah
,
yeah
so
you
know
meditation
might
not
work
for
you
know
,
meditation
might
not
work
for
you
.
Affirmations
might
not
work
for
you
.
The
method
that
you're
using
,
alex
,
might
not
work
for
someone
else
,
right
?
Dipesh Pattni
32:41
so
you
know
,
it's
very
good
that
you've
built
one
that
is
specifically
geared
towards
you
and
people
.
That's
what
people
need
to
do
.
They
can't
just
say
,
oh
,
I'm
going
to
meditate
like
you
know
,
uh
,
bill
gates
does
,
or
you
know
whoever
else
,
um
,
or
you
know
richard
Gates
does
,
or
you
know
whoever
else
,
or
you
know
Richard
Branson
,
I'm
not
going
to
do
it
that
way
.
You
have
to
find
your
own
way
of
doing
things
and
you
know
,
I'll
tell
you
a
really
good
story
about
that
,
because
,
so
,
this
is
more
about
process
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
33:06
Yes
,
please
.
Dipesh Pattni
33:07
Process
is
really
important
with
working
from
home
,
because
one
of
the
other
things
I
realized
was
so
productivity
haven't
like
this
wasn't
my
productivity
sleep
I
had
.
There
were
times
where
I
would
be
doing
proposals
or
pitches
for
new
business
and
things
like
that
,
and
when
I
did
this
in
the
office
,
when
I
worked
in
an
agency
,
I
was
very
,
I
was
very
quick
,
putting
something
back
together
.
I
always
knew
the
story
I
wanted
to
tell
to
the
clients
,
the
information
I
wanted
to
show
all
of
that
.
When
I
suddenly
started
doing
it
at
home
,
I
would
be
staring
at
a
blank
PowerPoint
and
I'd
be
like
I
swear
I'm
really
good
at
this
.
Why
am
I
struggling
with
it
?
And
that's
because
when
you're
working
from
home
,
if
you're
not
sitting
at
your
desk
,
you're
not
working
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
33:58
Or
if
you're
not
typing
,
you're
not
working
.
Dipesh Pattni
34:00
If
you're
not
sending
an
email
,
you're
not
.
That's
not
how
working
from
home
works
at
all
.
Right
,
how
it
works
is
so
I'll
tell
you
how
I
discovered
my
process
.
So
I
basically
got
frustrated
looking
at
that
blank
powerpoint
.
I
went
and
turned
on
the
playstation
during
the
working
day
,
started
playing
fifa
for
about
an
hour
and
a
half
my
wife
.
Dipesh Pattni
34:24
My
wife
comes
in
and
she's
like
what
the
hell
are
you
doing
?
We've
got
a
mortgage
to
pay
.
And
I'm
like
,
and
I
said
to
what
you're
talking
about
.
And
then
she's
like
,
how
can
you
be
playing
playstation
when
we
built
,
like
you're
building
this
business
and
you
know
,
like
you're
saying
how
important
it
is
,
and
you
told
me
just
last
night
how
you've
got
a
proposal
to
get
done
by
the
end
of
today
,
right
,
and
um
,
and
I
was
like
,
look
,
basically
I
was
like
just
leave
me
alone
.
I'm
thinking
and
uh
,
and
that's
actually
when
I
discovered
my
process
,
because
so
when
you
go
to
,
when
you
go
to
uh
work
,
you
always
have
to
get
on
the
train
.
I
had
one
hour
for
me
on
a
train
there's
a
set
way
of
doing
it
,
isn't
there
?
Dipesh Pattni
35:07
yeah
,
so
.
So
what
would
happen
is
is
that
I've
already
started
planning
,
I've
already
done
the
audits
and
the
downloads
and
I
already
know
what
information
I
need
,
right
.
So
on
the
train
,
I've
already
started
planning
what
my
slides
are
going
to
look
like
,
right
?
So
by
the
time
I've
then
gone
through
that
process
for
that
one
hour
on
the
train
,
I
then
got
to
work
and
said
I
need
to
knock
out
this
proposal
,
mm-hmm
,
and
I
need
to
get
this
proposal
done
so
that
it's
ready
for
today
or
tomorrow
or
this
week
or
whatever
.
I'm
very
quick
at
it
because
I've
already
visualized
what
it's
going
to
look
like
in
my
head
.
Dipesh Pattni
35:41
And
so
that
time
,
when
I
sat
there
and
I
played
FIFA
,
I
had
basically
gone
through
that
process
.
I
went
and
sat
down
at
my
desk
and
within
two
hours
that
proposal
was
done
right
,
because
I
hadn't
done
that
process
,
process
,
yeah
.
Dipesh Pattni
35:56
The
thinking
bit
yeah
and
yeah
,
and
you
know
,
because
I
was
sitting
on
my
desk
staring
at
the
slide
,
thinking
what
should
I
do
,
rather
than
not
being
anywhere
near
my
desk
and
processing
everything
that
I
need
to
do
and
visualizing
it
in
my
head
and
recreate
and
creating
it
in
my
head
before
I
go
recreate
it
physically
.
Yeah
,
um
,
so
that
that
,
yeah
,
my
wife
was
like
my
wife
realized
that
wow
,
that
is
a
process
like
I
get
it
like
what
you
did
.
Dipesh Pattni
36:19
There
was
fairly
impressive
yeah
that's
how
I
discovered
what
my
process
was
,
so
suddenly
now
,
how
,
if
I
have
a
proposal
or
something
like
that
,
I'll
do
I
might
turn
on
the
playstation
I
might
go
to
the
gym
and
I
will
.
Dipesh Pattni
36:32
We
can't
go
to
the
gym
right
now
,
um
,
yeah
,
they're
closed
,
right
,
so
you
know
.
But
I
would
go
to
the
gym
and
I
will
.
We
can't
go
to
the
gym
right
now
,
um
,
yeah
,
they're
closed
,
right
,
so
you
know
.
But
I
would
go
to
the
gym
and
basically
I'll
go
for
a
run
.
So
on
the
day
I've
got
a
proposal
,
I'll
pick
specific
things
like
a
run
,
because
that's
long
,
you
can
only
think
you're
in
a
run
because
you're
on
a
treadmill
and
of
course
,
there's
nothing
to
yeah
,
just
don't
don't
hit
the
Netflix
buttons
or
anything
like
that
,
right
,
um
?
Dipesh Pattni
36:54
so
I'll'd
go
for
a
run
,
then
I'd
go
in
the
swimming
pool
and
then
I'd
go
in
the
jacuzzi
,
and
in
that
time
I
would
have
processed
what
I'm
supposed
to
be
doing
when
I
get
back
on
my
desk
.
So
then
you
know
,
10.30
,
I
go
to
the
gym
,
I'll
be
back
at
11.30
,
and
bang
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
37:07
That
proposal
will
be
done
over
the
next
few
days
.
Right
,
it's
a
couple
of
things
there
,
isn't
it
?
It's
?
The
first
thing
is
,
um
,
you
know
your
,
your
mind
,
when
you're
,
when
you're
at
work
,
and
you
have
to
have
that
commute
,
your
mind
is
almost
,
like
,
gets
used
to
a
rhythm
,
doesn't
it
,
of
going
through
the
pro
.
You
know
the
process
of
that
gap
,
of
going
through
work
to
work
,
which
,
in
your
mind
,
is
working
and
thinking
about
what
you've
got
to
do
when
you
get
there
.
But
when
you're
at
home
,
you
don't
have
that
sort
of
um
,
that
commute
,
so
to
speak
,
so
that
that
journey
is
you
on
your
,
on
your
playstation
playing
fifa
,
isn't
it
?
Dipesh Pattni
37:41
and
yeah
,
yeah
,
exactly
,
and
you
know
,
as
I
started
to
,
as
I
started
to
dissect
that
even
more
,
what
I
realized
was
that
there
were
times
where
I
would
go
sit
in
the
canteen
at
work
and
I
would
just
sit
there
with
a
coffee
and
maybe
a
piece
of
toast
,
or
you
know
,
in
the
morning
,
or
like
I'd
be
sitting
there
at
lunchtime
,
after
lunchtime
for
a
little
bit
longer
,
and
what
I
was
doing
at
those
times
was
processing
how
um
,
processing
how
these
things
work
.
I
need
to
blow
my
nose
no
,
go
for
it
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
38:08
Why
are
you
doing
that
?
I'll
just
say
as
well
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
38:10
Um
,
I'm
gonna
say
right
now
the
worst
thing
to
do
is
cough
or
blow
your
nose
,
or
something
,
but
at
least
we've
got
our
distance
,
at
least
you
know
we've
got
a
two-meter
distance
between
us
.
I
was
going
to
say
the
other
thing
Don't
be
you
,
go
ahead
,
go
ahead
.
No
,
no
,
no
,
go
on
.
I
was
going
to
say
the
other
thing
is
you
talked
about
sitting
at
your
computer
,
that's
the
first
thing
you
talked
about
where
you're
just
sitting
at
a
,
and
it
can
become
frustrating
,
can't
it
?
Alex Wilson-Campbell
38:40
I
don't
know
about
you
,
but
if
you
sit
at
a
computer
and
nothing
is
sort
of
coming
to
you
,
I
become
more
and
more
frustrated
.
So
I
have
to
then
take
myself
away
physically
,
usually
away
from
that
situation
.
And
it
might
mean
I
go
out
and
I
don't
know
,
I
sit
on
,
go
and
sit
outside
with
a
pen
and
paper
,
or
I
might
just
I
don't
know
go
for
a
go
and
sit
outside
with
a
pen
and
paper
,
or
I
might
just
I
don't
know
go
for
a
run
around
the
block
or
a
walk
or
just
do
something
that
completely
takes
me
away
from
the
scenario
of
sitting
down
.
And
that's
when
my
thoughts
start
to
gather
themselves
and
I
start
to
think
,
you
know
.
Dipesh Pattni
39:18
Yeah
,
it's
so
important
,
and
everybody
that's
working
from
home
and
stuck
at
home
right
now
,
they'll
be
going
through
some
of
these
stages
.
So
what
you
know
,
the
biggest
thing
you
can
do
is
identify
when
you
do
your
thinking
and
how
you
do
your
thinking
.
Yeah
,
I
love
that
you're
sitting
at
a
desk
I
love
that
you
know
for
you
that
might
become
something
like
hitting
a
tennis
ball
against
the
wall
for
an
hour
yeah
yeah
,
whatever
it
,
it
is
right
,
it's
still
working
.
Dipesh Pattni
39:45
That
doesn't
mean
you're
suddenly
not
working
,
as
long
as
you're
still
focused
on
what
your
task
at
hand
is
and
you're
basically
trying
to
figure
out
how
you're
going
to
do
it
.
Dipesh Pattni
39:53
You're
still
working
,
so
you
know
.
That
is
very
important
for
people
to
understand
.
I
like
that
.
Yeah
,
I
saw
this
video
where
somebody's
using
a
fan
or
something
to
move
their
mouse
around
at
home
,
so
it
looks
like
they're
working
and
I'm
like
that's
not
how
it
should
be
.
Companies
shouldn't
be
sitting
there
monitoring
.
Are
people
still
logged
in
?
Are
people
still
logged
in
?
That's
not
how
working
from
home
works
and
people
work
differently
,
don't
they
?
Dipesh Pattni
40:18
Yeah
,
exactly
,
everybody
works
in
different
ways
and
I
think
that
everyone
has
to
self-reflect
to
find
what
that
process
is
.
When
do
you
do
your
thinking
?
When
do
your
best
ideas
come
to
you
?
Um
,
you
know
what
do
you
actually
do
at
your
desk
when
you're
sitting
there
,
and
why
are
you
?
You
know
the
times
you're
most
productive
,
why
are
you
that
productive
at
your
desk
?
Um
,
and
you
know
again
,
if
we
can
tie
this
all
back
to
mindset
,
because
if
you
accept
all
of
these
things
,
suddenly
you're
already
in
a
better
mindset
and
a
frame
of
mind
,
because
you
know
how
you
operate
in
a
different
condition
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
40:53
No
,
I
love
that
going
into
an
office
,
yeah
,
delivering
,
deliberate
.
On
the
.
On
the
flip
side
of
that
,
if
you're
feeling
at
your
lowest
point
,
you
you
probably
need
to
assess
yourself
and
look
at
yourself
and
think
to
yourself
why
am
I
feeling
like
this
right
now
?
What
,
what's
causing
me
to
feel
this
way
?
And
then
,
when
you
,
when
you're
more
aware
of
the
things
that
help
you
to
do
your
best
work
,
or
you're
aware
of
the
things
that
are
causing
you
to
be
in
a
slump
,
then
you
can
actually
begin
to
think
about
remedying
them
right
.
Dipesh Pattni
41:25
Yeah
,
and
you
know
there's
already
signs
of
it
,
because
so
I
think
I
mentioned
that
I've
partnered
with
a
gentleman
named
Nick
on
his
business
Help
for
Addiction
,
and
we
did
an
equity
deal
where
I
would
basically
take
equity
of
the
website
.
And
you
know
,
we've
been
working
together
for
over
a
year
now
and
you
know
,
due
to
all
the
current
circumstances
,
we're
literally
launching
online
therapy
next
week
,
because
we've
had
an
influx
of
demand
for
online
therapy
and
everything
seems
to
be
related
to
more
mental
health
,
with
the
idea
that
you've
got
this
virus
out
there
and
that
virus
scares
people
.
It's
frightening
,
right
,
yeah
,
and
then
,
like
,
people
are
working
from
home
now
,
so
they're
not
only
dealing
with
the
pressure
of
I
need
to
learn
what
my
processes
are
working
from
home
,
how
I
operate
from
home
,
um
,
the
boredom
of
not
being
able
to
leave
your
house
.
Dipesh Pattni
42:18
Um
,
then
they've
got
this
virus
out
there
as
well
that
they're
scared
,
they're
frightened
of
,
they're
scared
that
something's
gonna
happen
to
them
or
their
family
member
or
their
friends
,
right
,
um
,
so
there
is
,
you
know
,
that's
going
on
in
the
back
of
their
mind
as
well
.
Dipesh Pattni
42:31
So
you
know
,
that's
why
,
like
this
whole
online
therapy
we're
doing
with
that
is
,
the
reason
we're
launching
online
is
simply
so
we
can
deliver
it
via
zoom
,
so
people
can
have
that
while
they're
at
home
.
Um
,
but
the
,
the
only
reason
we've
done
this
is
because
we've
already
had
inquiries
about
um
,
about
,
you
know
,
having
therapy
from
home
.
Can
you
give
us
therapy
from
home
?
And
we
,
you
know
we've
got
therapists
,
so
we're
like
,
let's
just
deliver
it
online
because
,
you
know
,
I
I
think
that
,
as
this
develops
and
depending
on
how
long
we're
in
lockdown
,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
people
are
going
to
start
struggling
with
working
from
home
.
So
,
you
know
,
I
hope
that
they
listen
to
this
conversation
because
you
know
you've
said
some
really
useful
stuff
um
,
about
um
,
you
know
about
the
process
,
about
,
like
,
um
,
how
you
found
your
way
how
I
found
my
way
and
I
think
that's
everybody
has
to
find
their
way
,
uh
,
at
this
time
and
find
something
that
works
positive
for
them
.
Supporting Remote Team Mental Health
Dipesh Pattni
43:28
I
come
from
the
school
of
positivity
and
I'll
tell
you
something
when
I
set
up
on
my
own
that
all
went
out
the
window
.
I
thought
I
was
immune
to
feeling
negative
about
it
,
but
yeah
it's
easy
to
be
positive
when
everything's
going
right
,
absolutely
right
it's
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
43:41
It's
not
so
easy
when
everything's
going
right
,
absolutely
.
Dipesh Pattni
43:42
It's
not
so
easy
.
When
everything's
going
right
,
it's
still
easy
when
a
little
bit's
gone
wrong
,
but
when
everything
,
suddenly
,
all
the
pressure
is
on
you
and
you
have
to
deliver
,
positivity
is
you're
not
sitting
there
thinking
.
Let
me
just
be
positive
about
this
right
now
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
43:57
It's
one
thing
you
need
to
have
that
positive
mindset
.
Yeah
,
it's
one
thing
being
a
manager
or
a
founder
or
an
owner
of
a
business
that's
co-located
.
There's
pressures
that
are
brought
to
bear
on
somebody
who
is
that
person
,
because
they
often
talk
about
being
,
you
know
,
wondering
who
they
should
talk
to
.
But
when
it
comes
to
being
that
person
that
founder
or
that
manager
,
and
then
working
remotely
,
I
think
it's
even
more
.
The
pressures
are
even
greater
because
you
don't
have
that
contact
.
Dipesh Pattni
44:32
Yeah
,
absolutely
Alex
.
Because
,
alex
,
if
you're
a
manager
right
now
,
you're
probably
thinking
uh
,
not
just
about
yourself
,
you're
probably
thinking
how
,
if
you're
a
good
manager
,
you'll
be
thinking
how
am
I
going
to
manage
my
team
?
Alex Wilson-Campbell
44:47
absolutely
yeah
,
yeah
they
are
mentally
okay
as
well
and
how
I
mean
actually
on
that
point
,
how
can
you
recognize
sort
of
symptoms
in
your
own
team
as
well
?
I
mean
,
as
much
as
it's
,
it's
probably
.
I
don't
know
if
it's
easier
.
I
I
mean
not
to
say
I
found
it
easy
to
look
for
the
symptoms
in
myself
,
but
it
can
sometimes
be
more
difficult
to
look
for
symptoms
in
people
you're
managing
,
because
people
I
don't
know
unless
you've
got
a
really
really
close
relationship
with
somebody
.
You
know
them
inside
out
it's
.
Sometimes
people
might
mask
them
or
I
don't
know
what
what
can
you
do
?
Dipesh Pattni
45:23
well
,
that's
really
,
that's
a
really
good
question
.
Um
,
there's
,
you
know
what
there's
a
lot
of
.
Dipesh Pattni
45:30
There's
actually
quite
a
lot
you
can
do
as
a
manager
.
Um
,
first
,
when
you
first
sit
down
and
think
about
it
,
get
yourself
right
,
make
sure
that
you're
comfortable
and
you've
found
your
process
at
home
,
and
how
you're
going
to
basically
continue
to
be
productive
,
and
how
you're
going
to
make
sure
you
have
the
right
mindset
every
morning
,
and
stuff
like
that
.
So
,
once
you've
looked
after
yourself
,
now
you
help
your
team
.
Right
,
but
you've
got
to
be
quick
with
it
if
you're
a
manager
,
because
you
can't
take
weeks
to
find
your
own
process
and
stuff
,
you've
got
to
be
pretty
quick
.
So
,
in
the
meantime
,
what
you
should
be
doing
is
implementing
something
that
creates
a
little
bit
of
normality
to
what
your
staff
has
in
the
office
.
Now
,
what
?
What
does
staff
love
most
in
the
office
?
Well
,
they
will
enjoy
the
fact
that
they
get
to
have
banter
with
their
colleagues
.
They
will
and
I'm
taking
the
work
out
of
it
like
,
whether
you
enjoy
your
work
or
not
,
it's
got
nothing
to
do
this
right
now
.
Right
,
you
need
to
.
Dipesh Pattni
46:24
Basically
,
as
a
manager
,
you
should
be
focused
.
If
you
want
the
best
out
of
them
at
this
time
,
you
should
be
focusing
on
their
mindset
and
how
,
what
you
create
that
keeps
them
in
a
strong
frame
of
mind
right
now
.
So
the
biggest
thing
that
we
all
have
right
now
is
we
can
all
relate
to
the
fact
that
we're
all
locked
in
our
houses
.
So
,
as
a
manager
,
if
you
didn't
have
anything
that
you
could
relate
to
with
your
staff
before
,
you've
certainly
got
something
now
,
because
you're
going
to
be
having
the
same
challenges
as
your
staff
is
Absolutely
yeah
.
And
what
I
would
suggest
is
,
if
you're
not
always
going
to
recognize
when
somebody
is
shooting
down
because
they
might
pretend
,
but
what
you
will
notice
is
that
if
they're
more
frustrated
on
web
conference
meetings
or
on
the
phone
,
you'll
be
able
to
sense
frustration
for
sure
,
because
somebody
who
normally
contributes
a
lot
will
suddenly
contribute
less
,
will
suddenly
contribute
less
.
Dipesh Pattni
47:25
Somebody
who
,
um
,
somebody
who
doesn't
contribute
as
much
anyway
,
but
will
suddenly
become
very
quiet
or
very
distant
,
or
when
you've
asked
them
something
,
they
might
not
necessarily
be
as
focused
on
their
work
.
You
know
you
want
it's
good
to
ask
,
it's
good
to
ask
your
staff
details
at
this
time
,
because
if
they're
not
in
the
detail
when
they
normally
are
,
then
you'll
be
able
to
.
It's
another
tell
,
right
?
But
I
think
that
rather
than
trying
to
identify
,
okay
,
which
one
of
my
team
has
got
anxiety
and
which
one
hasn't
.
I
think
that
what
you're
going
to
be
more
better
off
doing
is
,
as
a
manager
,
ring
them
up
,
ring
up
everybody
,
ring
up
,
whoever
your
team
members
are
.
I
mean
,
even
if
you've
got
a
team
of
like
,
when
I
had
a
team
of
70
people
,
I
still
had
five
direct
reports
right
,
and
then
it
kind
of
like
filters
out
.
Dipesh Pattni
48:11
So
at
least
ring
up
,
yeah
,
ring
up
your
direct
reports
and
maybe
bring
up
a
couple
of
people
underneath
them
too
and
,
just
you
know
,
have
a
conversation
with
the
house
.
Things
you
know
,
like
you
talk
to
them
about
some
maybe
you're
some
of
your
frustrations
.
Let
them
talk
about
some
of
their
frustrations
,
because
letting
it
out
is
going
to
help
as
well
.
Yeah
,
um
,
we've
got
things
like
zoom
as
well
,
where
you
can
have
a
whole
group
meeting
.
So
you
should
be
setting
one
of
those
,
you
know
,
every
every
two
or
three
days
,
I
think
,
at
this
moment
in
time
,
just
not
necessarily
to
do
work
,
right
,
but
just
so
all
the
staff
are
still
talking
to
each
other
,
so
you
might
talk
a
bit
about
work
but
then
talk
a
bit
about
everything
else
going
on
.
Dipesh Pattni
48:50
Don't
just
let
it
all
go
back
to
work
because
,
if
you're
just
going
to
talk
to
your
staff
about
work
at
this
worrying
time
,
then
they
are
not
going
to
be
mentally
,
mentally
prepared
or
mentally
safe
,
because
what
you
need
is
you
need
to
be
creating
some
normality
about
what
they
have
in
their
workplace
.
You
know
that
fact
that
if
you've
got
a
Zoom
and
everybody's
on
it
and
everybody's
having
a
laugh
about
something
,
then
that's
great
.
Remote Socializing and Well-Being Strategies
Dipesh Pattni
49:16
The
other
thing
is
you
could
even
do
evening
drinks
,
right
.
Dipesh Pattni
49:19
You
could
say
that
,
oh
,
let's
all
have
a
team
drink
together
um
this
evening
it's
friday
or
it's
thursday
remotely
,
yeah
,
yeah
,
let's
do
remote
drinks
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
49:28
Yeah
,
yeah
,
why
not
exactly
yeah
?
Dipesh Pattni
49:32
the
other
thing
,
there's
a
great
app
.
It's
called
um
house
party
.
Have
you
heard
of
?
Alex Wilson-Campbell
49:35
it
.
No
,
I
haven't
.
I'm
gonna
write
that
one
down
.
Dipesh Pattni
49:37
House
party
yeah
yeah
,
house
party
,
yeah
,
so
so
what
you
can
do
in
house
party
you
could
set
up
.
You
and
your
team
could
set
up
on
house
party
.
Yeah
,
so
,
what
you
can
do
in
house
party
,
you
and
your
team
could
set
up
a
house
party
and
let's
say
,
you
decide
to
FaceTime
one
of
your
team
members
,
so
you
might
be
having
a
conversation
with
that
team
member
,
but
somebody
else
from
your
team
can
then
intrude
and
jump
in
on
that
call
.
Okay
,
so
if
you
leave
the
room
open
,
so
somebody
else
from
that
team
,
from
your
team
or
your
friend
list
can
jump
in
on
that
call
and
suddenly
just
randomly
join
the
conversation
.
Um
plan
spontaneity
?
Yeah
,
it's
like
it's
a
banter
,
isn't
it
like
in
?
Dipesh Pattni
50:14
the
office
as
well
it'd
just
be
a
good
laugh
to
do
something
like
that
.
Um
,
you
have
to
be
delivering
.
I
just
think
you
need
to
right
now
,
at
this
moment
in
time
.
You
should
be
delivering
more
mindset
stuff
.
Then
how
far
are
you
with
your
work
?
Can
you
hit
the
deadlines
and
that
sort
of
thing
?
Alex Wilson-Campbell
50:29
yeah
as
long
as
you've
got
a
team
that
hits
deadlines
,
then
you
should
be
focusing
on
on
the
people
and
what
their
state
of
mind
is
and
how
the
communication
is
flowing
,
more
than
anything
else
yeah
,
I
,
I
agree
,
and
I
think
in
this
because
,
I
mean
,
I've
spoken
to
people
who
who've
been
in
the
world
of
remote
work
,
who
work
remotely
for
10
,
20
years
,
and
some
,
some
of
them
,
it
took
them
six
months
a
year
,
two
years
,
to
get
to
grips
with
working
from
home
and
forget
about
the
the
day-to-day
work
that
they
have
to
do
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
51:01
It
just
it
just
took
them
like
that
length
of
time
to
just
bed
in
.
So
I
agree
with
you
,
I
think
it's
so
important
to
talk
about
things
other
than
work
,
but
it's
also
important
to
have
that
empathy
and
have
that
patience
with
your
team
so
that
you
,
you
can
give
them
,
as
you
know
,
as
much
time
as
possible
to
actually
acclimatize
to
this
new
,
this
new
sort
of
uh
,
you
know
way
of
life
that
we're
having
at
the
moment
.
You
know
,
you
have
to
get
,
get
ready
for
it
,
prepare
them
for
it
.
Dipesh Pattni
51:31
I
completely
agree
,
because
businesses
are
.
You
know
,
businesses
are
worried
as
well
right
now
,
because
obviously
profits
are
down
,
sales
are
down
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
51:48
So
for
somebody
that's
leading
that
business
,
it's
difficult
because
they
need
to
worry
about
the
patience
of
their
employee
and
then
they
need
to
worry
about
their
bottom
line
.
Dipesh Pattni
51:55
But
I
think
that
if
you
can
focus
more
on
the
people
so
that
that
bottom
line
improves
,
and
that
that
might
be
one
way
to
go
about
it
,
or
you
do
need
to
split
your
time
by
saying
,
okay
,
well
,
clearly
we're
going
to
need
more
clients
,
clearly
we're
going
to
need
more
sales
,
so
you
put
things
in
place
for
that
,
and
then
you
say
how
am
I
going
to
carry
on
making
my
people
deliver
as
well
as
they
?
They've
always
delivered
and
you
have
something
in
place
for
that
?
You
can't
.
If
you
,
if
you
as
a
business
,
and
if
you
now
suddenly
just
focus
on
the
sales
bit
because
that's
where
the
emergency
is
,
then
just
put
this
side
the
people
think
is
going
to
dip
.
Without
doubt
it's
.
You
know
,
you're
going
to
have
to
be
that
leader
that
you
you
thought
you
was
or
you
are
when
you
started
this
business
and
you're
going
to
start
juggling
things
you
know
again
and
make
sure
your
focus
is
split
in
two
places
yeah
,
it's
a
different
kind
of
leadership
,
isn't
it
?
Alex Wilson-Campbell
52:48
it's
really
.
Dipesh Pattni
52:50
Yeah
,
it's
more
of
a
business
owners
right
now
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
52:52
Really
feel
for
them
I
do
,
um
,
I
do
too
.
It's
,
it's
and
it's
difficult
.
I
think
those
business
owners
also
or
business
owners
,
managers
,
founders
they
also
need
to
have
that
support
network
themselves
because
they're
taking
.
What
you
have
to
realize
is
you're
taking
on
being
that
,
I
suppose
,
coach
,
I
suppose
you
could
say
they're
almost
being
becoming
coaches
,
um
,
and
being
more
sort
of
that
.
All
that
empathy
it's
gonna
have
,
it's
gonna
probably
take
,
it's
take
a
sort
of
toll
on
on
on
you
as
well
,
because
you're
having
to
,
like
you
said
,
you're
going
to
have
to
acclimatize
to
working
remotely
and
getting
your
team
all
in
place
and
dealing
with
all
the
daily
pressures
that
it
takes
to
actually
run
a
team
or
run
a
business
.
But
who
is
looking
after
you
?
So
you
have
to
figure
out
who
that
person
would
be
,
or
bring
people
into
your
network
,
your
support
network
,
to
look
after
you
as
well
,
so
that
you're
in
the
best
possible
position
to
look
after
your
team
.
Dipesh Pattni
53:48
Yeah
,
great
,
and
I
think
you
know
you
just
stumbled
on
something
really
important
Like
who's
looking
after
you
,
um
,
and
and
so
like
,
I
think
that
you
should
still
be
trying
.
Dipesh Pattni
53:58
Just
like
we
talked
about
remote
drinks
with
your
work
colleagues
and
stuff
like
that
,
I
think
you
still
should
be
doing
some
remote
stuff
with
your
friends
.
Um
,
so
I've
actually
got
something
planned
,
you
know
,
today
,
um
is
I'm
going
to
be
playing
a
poker
game
on
poker
stars
,
and
you
know
it's
not
for
a
lot
of
money
,
it's
a
very
small
amount
of
money
,
uh
,
but
I'm
playing
in
a
private
room
with
friends
and
simultaneously
we're
all
going
to
be
talking
on
Zoom
as
well
while
we
play
.
And
that's
something
I've
got
planned
tonight
,
because
I
can't
go
in
one
of
the
houses
and
play
a
poker
game
.
So
we
said
we're
all
stuck
in
the
house
.
Should
we
have
a
game
of
poker
,
like
we
would
normally
like
once
every
couple
of
months
?
But
we'll
do
it
from
home
and
we'll
do
it
on
PokerStars
,
because
you
can
have
a
private
room
and
we'll
come
and
zoom
at
the
same
time
.
Dipesh Pattni
54:48
Um
,
and
this
is
you
,
this
is
all
of
that
stuff
is
what
helps
your
well-being
as
well
,
because
you've
got
to
see
your
friends
and
all
your
family
and
stuff
like
that
,
and
you
know
this
is
just
how
you
have
to
function
for
a
little
while
.
But
you've
got
to
embrace
all
the
technology
that
we've
got
,
because
we've
created
all
this
technology
that
allows
us
to
be
remote
.
And
aren't
we
lucky
we
created
it
.
Yeah
,
exactly
why
we
should
be
using
it
because
we've
built
a
world
where
you
can
stay
at
home
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
55:20
Literally
yeah
,
yeah
,
no
,
I
agree
,
it's
about
also
thinking
outside
of
the
outside
of
the
box
.
I
suppose
I
wouldn't
,
I'd
never
have
thought
of
,
actually
.
I
mean
,
I
don't
,
I
don't
know
much
about
,
um
uh
,
poker
or
well
,
gaming
is
not
something
I
do
that
much
,
but
I
know
that
,
for
example
,
places
like
twitch
,
if
you
are
a
gamer
,
twitch
is
a
place
where
you
can
sort
of
hang
out
.
You
can
create
private
spaces
,
can't
you
,
and
game
on
there
.
I
don't
know
,
just
like
you
said
,
just
having
on
for
something
like
Skype
.
If
you've
got
people
in
your
network
,
you
can
just
gather
together
and
just
talk
about
what
went
on
.
Dipesh Pattni
55:59
Yeah
,
exactly
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
56:00
And
lots
of
these
apps
now
,
for
example
,
google
.
Now
they've
stepped
up
and
they've
been
.
They've
improved
um
hangouts
and
they've
got
meat
.
Now
,
haven't
they
?
And
you
can
have
,
I
don't
know
10
,
I
think
,
up
to
20
people
,
25
people
on
there
at
a
time
.
So
it's
,
there's
all
kinds
of
different
tech
.
Dipesh Pattni
56:17
So
I
didn
.
But
I've
always
used
it
just
for
like
um
,
you
know
,
like
almost
like
a
FaceTime
or
something
.
Yeah
,
Uh
,
when
I'm
only
having
a
meeting
because
I
didn't
know
that
actually
they're
doing
similar
things
,
that's
quite
good
,
yeah
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
56:29
But
I
think
that
interaction
we're
human
beings
after
all
we
need
interaction
we
need
to
separate
work
,
uh
,
from
,
like
you
suggested
,
uh
,
depe
,
separate
our
work
from
our
,
you
know
,
our
downtime
.
We
need
to
have
that
downtime
.
We
have
to
have
that
that
sort
of
baked
in
to
,
yeah
,
to
the
you
know
,
the
daily
,
daily
life
,
or
at
least
once
or
twice
a
week
,
you
know
,
especially
now
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
56:52
So
,
yeah
,
yeah
definitely
now
yeah
,
um
so
yeah
,
I
was
gonna
say
what
,
what
.
What
are
the
plans
for
you
now
?
What
are
the
plans
for
you
now
?
What
are
the
plans
for
you
and
GravitasQ
?
Dipesh Pattni
57:05
So
you
know
,
as
I
said
,
I
feel
sorry
for
business
owners
because
,
to
be
honest
,
right
now
is
a
difficult
time
for
GravitasQ
as
well
.
You
know
,
we've
had
a
couple
of
clients
turn
off
their
PPC
ads
,
so
that's
going
to
impact
as
a
business
.
That's
going
to
impact
me
because
,
um
,
if
they're
not
advertising
,
then
obviously
I've
got
less
to
do
.
Um
,
I'm
very
lucky
in
the
fact
that
seo
clients
they
,
they
continue
to
do
what
they
do
.
Um
,
and
they
should
,
because
with
seo
it's
you
know
,
you
can't
just
suddenly
stop
because
we're
on
lockdown
for
a
little
while
.
Seo
is
something
you've
got
to
keep
doing
anyway
Business Continuity and Remote Fitness
Dipesh Pattni
57:40
.
I
think
with
pvc
and
media
because
it's
real-time
,
there
are
pockets
where
a
couple
of
clients
have
turned
up
because
it
doesn't
make
sense
for
them
to
be
live
If
you're
on
a
venue
and
you're
doing
PPC
ads
when
your
venue's
closed
.
Dipesh Pattni
57:57
There's
no
point
in
running
ads
.
Dipesh Pattni
58:00
Send
people
to
ask
them
to
come
to
your
shop
or
anything
like
that
,
right
?
So
you
know
it's
going
to
be
a
tough
time
.
I
mean
I'm
confident
that
people
get
through
it
,
but
it's
going
to
be
a
tough
time
and
,
um
,
going
forward
,
I
mean
like
,
um
,
you
know
we've
it's
,
it's
,
it's
almost
business
as
usual
otherwise
.
So
I'm
lucky
in
the
fact
that
you
know
I've
got
a
um
,
a
good
uh
client
book
,
in
the
sense
that
I've
got
a
variation
of
clients
so
they're
not
all
people
see
where
everybody
has
to
turn
off
or
anything
like
that
.
So
I'm
very
lucky
in
that
sense
.
So
it's
business
as
usual
and
we've
got
to
skews
.
Dipesh Pattni
58:32
Just
,
the
plan
is
to
continue
growing
it
and
kind
of
like
one
of
the
biggest
things
that
doctors
Cuny's
is
exposure
and
the
fact
that
we're
bringing
people
with
five
to
ten
years
to
the
table
,
with
five
to
ten
years
experience
to
the
table
,
you
know
,
and
what
they
can
do
and
how
good
they
are
is
very
,
very
important
to
how
a
business
can
grow
.
Whether
you're
large
or
small
,
you
might
be
a
very
big
brand
and
you've
just
never
managed
to
get
your
performance
right
.
Well
,
what
if
I
told
you
we
can
give
you
people
that
have
been
around
and
have
worked
on
a
lot
of
brands
and
managed
to
get
the
best
out
of
some
big
brands
as
well
yeah
.
Dipesh Pattni
59:14
So
you
know
,
that
is
the
message
we're
putting
out
there
,
because
I
think
that
a
lot
of
brands
are
now
kind
of
becoming
a
little
bit
hesitant
with
agencies
and
things
like
that
,
and
this
is
the
whole
reason
the
consultancy
was
started
up
.
And
even
if
you
want
somebody
to
review
whether
you're
doing
the
right
stuff
,
then
that's
another
reason
to
give
us
a
call
as
well
.
But
yeah
,
for
us
it's
business
as
usual
.
As
I
said
on
Helpful
Addiction
,
we're
going
live
on
online
therapy
this
week
,
so
that's
going
to
be
big
because
there's
a
lot
of
people
out
there
who
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
get
to
rehab
to
deal
with
their
health
or
drug
addictions
.
Dipesh Pattni
59:55
There
are
people
that
might
be
having
anxiety
and
depression
issues
.
So
the
fact
that
they'll
be
able
to
get
therapy
at
home
from
their
phone
or
tablet
or
computer
,
it's
going
to
be
really
big
,
and
that's
delivered
by
a
registered
therapist
from
our
clinic
anyway
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
1:00:11
So
you're
still
busy
,
then
You're
still
keeping
busy
.
Yeah
,
still
busy
Still
busy
.
Dipesh Pattni
1:00:16
It's
a
bit
like
the
hard
bit
is
not
being
able
to
go
out
.
So
I
haven't
been
able
to
go
to
the
gym
and
today
I
was
feeling
a
little
.
This
morning
I
was
feeling
a
little
sore
,
um
,
like
my
muscles
,
aren't
you
know
?
Alex Wilson-Campbell
1:00:26
they're
not
active
.
Yeah
,
yeah
,
they're
not
active
.
Dipesh Pattni
1:00:28
So
today
I'm
going
to
go
for
a
run
,
probably
about
four
or
five
o'clock
as
well
,
because
I
just
need
,
I
need
to
.
I'm
gonna
have
to
go
out
and
at
least
have
a
run
in
the
fresh
air
well
,
at
least
we're
allowed
to
do
that
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
1:00:40
We're
allowed
to
do
that
.
We're
allowed
to
do
that
.
Dipesh Pattni
1:00:41
Yeah
,
we're
allowed
to
exercise
once
a
day
,
and
I
haven't
been
taken
the
opportunity
to
do
that
either
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
1:00:49
Again
,
that's
another
.
I
mean
that
could
be
a
whole
other
podcast
,
couldn't
it
On
how
to
sort
of
keep
physically
in
shape
?
Because
I
actually
did
a
podcast
about
that
.
In
terms
of
the
,
because
lots
of
people
,
people
,
we
talk
about
the
mindset
and
the
mental
,
the
mental
aspect
of
working
from
home
.
Rightly
so
,
because
it
affects
a
lot
of
people
.
But
sometimes
that's
the
we
don't
.
We
neglect
the
physical
consequences
of
working
from
home
as
well
,
because
obviously
you
have
to
have
that
discipline
,
don't
?
You
have
to
be
able
to
discipline
yourself
to
get
up
,
and
just
get
up
,
and
walk
up
and
down
the
stairs
or
go
to
the
gym
or
go
around
the
block
.
Dipesh Pattni
1:01:26
So
that's
a
whole
different
story
which
we'll
cover
at
another
time
,
I
guess
yeah
,
mate
,
that
there's
definitely
a
podcast
in
that
,
because
when
I
when
I
first
uh
set
up
on
my
own
,
I
was
thinking
you
know
what
?
This
is
brilliant
,
I
want
to
go
to
the
gym
every
day
.
And
,
um
,
it
did
not
last
.
I
was
very
bored
when
I
was
in
the
workplace
,
right
?
Alex Wilson-Campbell
1:01:45
so
I
was
like
something's
not
right
here
.
Yeah
,
I
thought
that
,
you
know
,
I
thought
this
would
be
easier
.
Dipesh Pattni
1:01:50
Yeah
,
and
your
fatigue
does
suffer
a
little
bit
.
Yeah
if
you're
not
exercising
,
then
you
know
what
happens
.
Your
productivity
um
change
.
I
started
intermittent
fasting
as
well
,
where
I
don't
do
anything
till
one
o'clock
as
well
.
Um
,
and
I
find
that
really
good
because
,
uh
,
in
the
morning
I'm
not
like
rushing
around
to
uh
to
have
.
I'm
not
not
rushing
around
,
but
I'm
not
worried
about
what
I'm
having
for
breakfast
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
1:02:13
All
I'm
going
to
do
is
I'm
going
to
come
in
the
kitchen
,
get
a
coffee
and
get
on
my
desk
,
and
it
just
made
me
a
whole
lot
more
productive
as
well
so
yeah
,
you
probably
have
a
podcast
on
that
,
yeah
,
there's
definitely
a
podcast
,
but
this
one
has
been
really
eye-opening
for
me
and
it's
like
I
said
,
it's
been
good
to
have
some
face
time
with
you
,
having
written
to
you
all
these
these
years
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
1:02:32
And
,
um
,
I
just
want
to
wish
you
all
the
best
with
gravitas
q
,
I'll
be
keeping
obviously
up
to
date
with
that
.
What
I
want
to
do
as
well
is
,
um
,
is
make
sure
that
we
we
get
get
help
for
addiction
in
the
show
notes
so
people
can
actually
link
to
it
from
the
show
notes
and
you
know
if
,
if
,
if
,
any
of
this
has
chimed
with
you
today
.
If
you're
experiencing
I
don't
know
slumps
in
your
mood
,
you
know
if
you
,
if
you're
feeling
not
yourself
,
if
you're
feeling
,
if
somebody
you
know
is
is
not
feeling
themselves
,
then
don't
keep
it
to
yourself
.
Whatever
you
do
,
at
the
very
least
talk
to
somebody
.
But
,
um
,
it
may
be
that
,
uh
,
help
for
addiction
could
be
something
that
could
help
you
out
definitely
reach
out
,
because
on
the
website
you
can
even
have
there's
instant
web
chat
.
Dipesh Pattni
1:03:20
Um
,
there's
a
consultation
form
,
so
you
don't
necessarily
have
to
come
and
,
you
know
,
buy
online
therapy
before
somebody
is
willing
to
have
a
conversation
with
you
.
If
you
just
put
a
little
message
in
the
web
chat
and
,
um
,
you
know
,
nick
or
one
of
these
colleagues
will
um
have
a
conversation
with
you
.
Uh
,
less
likely
to
be
me
,
as
I'm
probably
not
the
most
,
I'm
not
the
best
suited
to
it
,
but
you
know
people
that
have
got
experience
in
therapy
,
people
that
have
the
experience
of
addiction
.
You
know
you
can
have
a
conversation
with
them
on
web
chat
on
up
for
addictioncouk
.
Dipesh Pattni
1:03:49
So
,
yeah
,
definitely
if
you
are
struggling
with
remote
working
then
yeah
,
definitely
,
but
I
hope
,
like
you
know
the
conversation
today
that
we've
had
,
you
know
that
will
help
people
.
Um
,
that
will
help
people
anyway
so
I'm
sure
it
will
.
Alex Wilson-Campbell
1:04:02
I'm
sure
it
will
and
we'll
be
keeping
up
to
date
thank
you
for
having
me
on
as
well
pleasure
.
It
was
my
pleasure
and
we
will
speak
to
you
soon
and
thank
you
everybody
for
listening
,
and
we'll
catch
you
with
another
episode
very
soon
.
So
all
of
you
take
care
and
we'll
speak
to
you
soon
bye
,
bye
.
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