Kara Şahbaz is founder of the Untethered Minimalist, and transitioned from a holistic health coach to work in tech and automation. Kara’s time in Saudi Arabia was a turning point, sparking her entrepreneurial spirit and leading her to become a digital nomad. You’ll learn how her observations as a teenager influenced her commitment to finding joy in her work and how she overcame personal challenges like anxiety and agoraphobia to embrace a remote work lifestyle.
She discusses maximizing the benefits of remote work, especially when it comes to balancing professional responsibilities with family care. Kara also shares her holistic approach to productivity, emphasizing the power of consistent habits, protein intake, and gratitude.
She explains how minimalism at Untethered Minimalist is about more than just decluttering—it’s about mindful consumption of media and energy. Her unique perspective not only resonates with those intimidated by tech but also offers practical strategies for achieving a balanced work-life dynamic.
As we wrap up, Kara’s story serves as a powerful reminder of the value of untethering from societal expectations and embracing a lifestyle that aligns with one’s passions and values.
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Journey to Remote Work Success
Speaker 1
0:00
Hey
,
it's
Alex
once
again
from
the
Remote
Work
Life
podcast
.
Thank
you
so
much
for
joining
me
In
this
series
of
episodes
or
case
studies
.
I'm
interviewing
CEOs
,
founders
and
location-independent
entrepreneurs
to
find
out
their
stories
and
to
find
out
about
their
businesses
and
how
they've
evolved
professionally
and
personally
.
And
today
I'm
interviewing
the
founder
of
the
Untethered
Minimalist
,
cara
Shatbaz
,
and
she
is
an
automation
strategist
.
I
started
out
by
asking
her
to
describe
a
personal
story
or
experience
that
has
influenced
who
she
is
today
.
Speaker 2
0:37
So
there's
several
stories
,
I
suppose
,
that
come
to
mind
.
The
one
at
the
top
would
be
when
I
was
already
living
abroad
and
I
had
taken
a
contract
.
My
background
is
actually
as
a
holistic
coach
,
a
health
coach
and
teacher
.
I
had
taken
a
job
in
the
Middle
East
,
which
is
really
where
I
wanted
to
live
,
and
the
opportunity
that
came
to
me
was
a
teaching
role
,
to
be
the
head
of
a
department
,
the
physical
education
and
health
department
for
middle
and
high
school
girls
,
and
the
country
was
Saudi
Arabia
,
and
it
was
during
that
time
that
I
had
such
a
wonderful
experience
in
the
kingdom
.
Speaker 2
1:23
I
loved
my
students
,
my
parents
,
I
loved
living
there
and
as
I
was
working
and
I
had
this
contract
which
allowed
for
me
to
be
abroad
and
had
set
up
everything
,
from
my
visa
to
my
work
situation
,
to
my
housing
,
to
my
insurance
,
to
getting
a
phone
,
to
everything
I
realized
that
I
wanted
to
continue
staying
abroad
,
but
with
all
the
bureaucracy
and
just
the
I
don't
know
,
I
guess
the
chit-chat
kind
of
cattiness
of
working
in
this
environment
where
women
were
I
don't
know
how
to
describe
it
,
I
just
they
were
so
gossipy
and
so
I
really
avoided
that
and
also
the
bureaucracy
and
I
didn't
really
know
if
it
had
to
do
with
just
this
school
or
just
working
in
a
school
,
because
that
was
my
first
experience
working
in
an
international
school
.
So
I
just
realized
that
was
really
profound
for
me
and
I
said
I
want
to
continue
living
abroad
,
but
I
do
not
want
to
take
a
contract
and
then
be
bound
to
working
in
a
company
or
at
a
company
.
I
really
wanted
to
go
on
my
own
.
So
that
was
very
pivotal
for
me
.
Speaker 1
2:33
As
you
look
back
on
your
life
and
connect
the
dots
that
led
you
where
you
are
now
.
What
are
those
dots
?
Speaker 2
2:41
So
most
of
the
dots
,
if
you
will
,
are
definitely
,
I
would
say
,
later
as
far
as
the
entrepreneurial
spirit
and
the
living
abroad
and
working
online
.
But
I
would
say
,
thinking
back
to
one
of
my
earliest
memories
that
would
be
a
dot
,
that
would
definitely
be
a
connector
,
was
I
remember
being
around
a
family
member
I
think
it
was
my
aunt
and
I
remember
thinking
how
unhappy
she
seemed
in
her
work
life
and
she's
also
a
mother
of
a
wife
and
full-time
mom
and
worked
full-time
.
But
I
guess
what
I
saw
was
someone
who
was
working
in
a
job
that
she
seemed
she
didn't
really
like
and
thinking
back
,
maybe
,
maybe
it
was
that
just
that
time
in
my
life
where
I
saw
other
people
doing
work
or
they're
going
to
their
jobs
and
they
didn't
like
them
.
And
that
was
really
,
I
think
I
was
around
14
,
maybe
13
or
14
years
old
.
So
I
remember
that
being
a
really
big
thing
that
maybe
consciously
or
subconsciously
,
I
said
to
myself
I
always
want
to
enjoy
the
work
I'm
doing
and
never
just
go
to
a
job
.
So
that's
really
made
a
huge
impact
in
terms
of
choices
that
I've
made
,
because
money
and
a
big
salary
is
not
a
motivator
for
me
,
especially
if
I'm
not
going
to
enjoy
the
job
or
the
environment
,
so
that
would
be
a
big
dot
.
So
that
would
be
a
big
dot
.
Speaker 2
4:08
I
think
another
big
dot
was
after
I
had
become
an
entrepreneur
as
a
holistic
health
coach
and
nutritionist
and
started
my
first
company
,
which
was
holistic
health
coaching
for
six
months
.
I
also
included
teaching
people
how
to
cook
intuitive
cooking
and
exercise
,
Pilates
and
fitness
and
also
personal
chefing
.
So
I
did
everything
all
inclusive
for
six
months
for
my
clients
.
I
did
that
for
10
years
and
during
that
time
I
is
with
all
the
health
knowledge
I
have
and
have
.
I
ended
up
getting
anxiety
and
that
anxiety
turned
into
temporary
panic
attacks
,
which
actually
became
agoraphobia
for
about
six
months
.
So
I
was
really
homebound
and
trying
to
still
run
my
business
and
be
present
for
my
clients
.
So
that
was
really
difficult
.
Luckily
,
I've
totally
grown
out
of
that
and
learned
how
to
manage
that
with
lifestyle
,
and
that
,
too
,
has
been
a
huge
marker
and
a
dot
that
has
allowed
me
to
continue
to
be
an
entrepreneur
and
just
be
very
mindful
of
my
environment
and
making
sure
that
I'm
surrounded
by
peace
and
calm
at
most
times
.
Speaker 1
5:19
Why
did
you
decide
to
become
a
leader
in
your
chosen
niche
?
Speaker 2
5:23
I
chose
to
go
into
tech
and
automation
,
really
from
piggybacking
off
after
what
I
had
said
.
My
first
company
was
,
which
is
Harmony
Inside
Out
,
which
was
holistic
health
coaching
for
10
years
.
Coming
from
the
health
coaching
world
,
coming
from
the
nutrition
world
and
being
also
a
bit
in
the
new
age
world
and
using
a
lot
of
mindfulness
practices
,
I
can
relate
to
other
health
coaches
and
I
was
also
very
,
very
intimidated
by
tech
,
by
technology
.
So
if
anyone
out
there
is
listening
to
this
and
you're
not
a
techie
person
,
just
know
that
there's
hope
Meaning
.
I
never
foresaw
myself
getting
into
anything
technological
at
all
working
on
the
computer
.
Speaker 2
6:11
However
,
I
got
to
a
point
where
I
really
I
didn't
like
that
.
Speaker 2
6:14
I
needed
to
ask
someone
else
to
help
me
with
everything
techie
wise
,
and
when
I
found
the
work
that
I'm
doing
now
,
I
realized
that
,
just
like
anything
else
,
when
you
can
help
someone
do
something
that
they
need
help
with
and
you
can
find
fulfillment
in
that
,
you
can
make
a
business
,
be
it
a
product
or
a
service
,
and
business
owners
get
back
time
,
and
by
that
I
mean
I
help
them
automate
their
entire
business
and
then
that
helps
them
with
sales
,
it
helps
them
streamline
.
Speaker 2
6:53
I
do
all
the
backend
techie
stuff
so
that
they
can
really
be
on
the
front
end
focusing
on
their
clients
.
So
I
always
say
that
I
can
relate
to
the
health
coach
,
I
can
relate
to
the
actor
,
I
can
relate
to
the
artist
,
I
can
relate
to
the
person
who's
super
not
techie
,
because
that's
me
but
I
found
that
I
had
an
inner
geek
,
kind
of
nerdy
tech
person
living
inside
me
and
I
really
enjoy
and
I'm
super
,
super
organized
and
I
think
that's
part
of
what
helps
blend
and
glue
everything
together
is
because
I'm
super
organized
,
overseeing
projects
and
being
a
project
manager
and
then
being
able
to
delegate
tasks
and
get
projects
completed
and
have
customers
happy
with
their
automation
and
with
their
CRM
and
with
their
sales
funnels
and
with
everything
moving
in
the
right
direction
.
I'm
able
to
blend
those
two
worlds
and
make
my
particular
clients
who
I
call
my
client
family
happy
with
the
results
.
Speaker 1
7:52
What
was
the
best
advice
anyone
ever
gave
you
,
and
did
you
follow
it
?
Speaker 2
7:56
So
everyone's
probably
heard
this
expression
how
do
you
eat
an
elephant
?
And
the
answer
is
one
bite
at
a
time
.
So
my
grandfather
used
to
say
that
and
not
that
was
necessarily
advice
given
,
but
that
was
definitely
an
expression
that
was
used
a
lot
and
to
me
it
really
does
make
sense
at
really
any
juncture
in
our
lives
,
no
matter
what
kind
of
part
of
the
story
we're
in
our
own
lives
.
How
do
you
do
anything
?
You
do
it
one
step
at
a
time
,
and
I
think
that
it
reiterates
how
important
it
is
to
stay
present
.
It
also
helps
us
not
get
ahead
of
ourselves
and
be
thinking
or
trying
to
think
and
live
in
the
future
and
have
the
expectation
of
I
want
this
,
I
want
to
do
this
,
I
want
to
go
here
,
I
want
this
to
happen
,
because
we
can
really
set
ourselves
up
for
a
lot
of
disappointment
when
we
are
future
living
,
and
I
think
in
our
modern
world
a
lot
of
people
have
this
struggle
because
they
think
,
oh
,
I'm
going
to
buy
a
house
at
this
age
,
or
I'm
going
to
have
this
kind
of
job
,
or
I'm
going
to
get
married
at
this
age
,
or
I'm
going
to
have
kids
at
this
age
,
or
I'm
going
to
do
this
.
We
have
this
,
I
think
modern
world
,
we
can
really
set
ourselves
up
for
a
lot
of
disappointment
by
future
living
.
Speaker 2
9:14
So
,
how
do
you
eat
an
elephant
?
One
bite
at
a
time
.
Also
,
be
where
you
are
right
now
,
right
,
go
from
where
you
are
,
not
from
where
you
want
to
be
.
And
then
I
think
this
complements
also
not
getting
stuck
in
the
past
,
being
able
to
forgive
yourself
,
being
able
to
forgive
others
,
being
able
to
move
forward
and
not
get
stuck
in
something
that
didn't
happen
,
the
minutia
of
the
person
who
gets
stuck
in
the
regret
,
or
something
like
that
.
I
think
that
advice
has
really
played
well
because
,
for
me
personally
,
I
have
worked
through
my
own
challenges
of
thinking
of
the
past
or
getting
stuck
in
the
future
,
or
getting
stuck
in
the
past
or
thinking
about
the
future
,
and
I
really
am
genuinely
,
nine
times
out
of
10
,
able
to
be
really
present
,
stay
in
the
moment
and
and
be
grateful
and
simply
,
yeah
,
not
just
take
things
one
bite
at
a
time
and
one
step
at
a
time
,
no
matter
what
it
is
,
no
matter
what
the
situation
is
.
So
,
yeah
,
how
do
you
eat
an
elephant
?
One
bite
at
a
time
.
Speaker 1
10:20
And
what
made
you
choose
remote
work
and
how
has
it
benefited
you
and
what
?
Speaker 2
10:24
made
you
choose
remote
work
and
how
has
it
benefited
you
,
so
to
speak
a
little
bit
further
.
How
did
I
choose
remote
work
?
Two
main
reasons
when
I
had
that
experience
,
when
I
was
working
for
someone
else
.
So
,
basically
,
I'd
had
my
10
year
business
,
I
closed
up
my
shop
to
go
live
abroad
for
one
year
teaching
English
,
just
to
support
myself
and
have
an
adventure
,
and
then
I
was
going
to
come
back
to
America
and
start
my
business
again
,
but
that
did
not
happen
.
So
I'd
worked
for
myself
.
And
then
I
worked
in
a
language
school
in
Shanghai
,
china
,
and
that
was
amazing
.
Speaker 2
10:59
And
then
I
took
the
job
in
Saudi
Arabia
and
I
was
working
for
someone
,
and
it
was
during
that
time
where
I
was
like
no
way
,
no
,
thank
you
.
I
did
not
enjoy
working
for
someone
again
and
,
like
I
said
earlier
,
I
didn't
enjoy
the
bureaucracy
.
And
so
I
knew
I
wanted
to
stay
abroad
.
I
knew
I
wanted
to
work
online
.
So
I
knew
I
needed
to
gain
some
skills
,
gain
some
valuable
skills
that
I
could
then
market
to
help
people
,
and
I
wasn't
sure
exactly
what
that
was
going
to
be
.
I
knew
teaching
was
a
viable
option
,
but
scaling
it
was
the
challenge
.
So
that's
really
how
I
knew
when
I've
been
a
remote
worker
since
January
2019
.
And
but
I've
lived
abroad
since
2015
.
Building a Lifestyle of Remote Work
Speaker 2
11:44
So
the
other
thing
is
,
like
I
said
,
being
able
to
.
I'm
one
of
five
kids
,
so
of
all
my
siblings
,
I'm
really
the
one
who's
built
a
life
and
a
lifestyle
that
I'm
able
to
help
my
aging
parents
out
at
this
juncture
,
and
a
lot
of
people
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
.
What
I'm
able
to
do
right
now
,
which
is
spend
,
instead
of
being
abroad
more
.
I'm
spending
more
time
with
them
in
the
United
States
and
being
able
to
help
them
with
day
in
and
day
out
kinds
of
things
,
while
I'm
still
running
my
business
and
helping
my
clients
and
doing
my
thing
,
and
so
I'm
super
grateful
that
I
had
built
this
for
myself
prior
to
this
time
.
I'd
set
myself
up
for
success
to
be
in
this
position
.
Speaker 2
12:28
So
if
anyone
out
there
thinks
you
know
,
remote
work
or
being
an
entrepreneur
or
digital
nomad
is
all
about
like
partying
in
Chiang
Mai
,
that's
great
,
there's
nothing
wrong
with
that
know
that
there
are
actually
deeper
reasons
why
building
a
whole
work
life
with
the
internet
is
so
viable
,
because
something
like
what
I'm
doing
right
now
I
can
be
with
my
parents
,
I
can
help
them
,
and
this
is
something
that
,
when
I
started
out
I
didn't
think
about
necessarily
,
but
I
realized
subconsciously
I've
been
building
this
lifestyle
for
years
.
So
yeah
,
those
,
it's
like
a
hidden
bonus
.
Speaker 1
13:07
What
are
your
best
tips
for
organizing
your
day
and
staying
productive
?
Speaker 2
13:13
So
I
love
this
question
and
,
again
coming
from
the
health
coaching
world
,
so
I
really
use
a
lot
of
the
tools
that
I've
taught
my
clients
over
the
years
,
the
first
one
of
what
I
call
my
big
threes
.
So
the
first
one
is
habits
,
the
next
one
is
know
your
protein
and
the
third
one
is
gratitude
attitude
.
So
I'll
speak
on
habits
.
There's
a
great
I
don't
know
if
it's
an
expression
or
it's
just
a
meme
,
or
it's
just
a
question
or
even
like
a
story
and
the
story
goes
if
someone
was
to
deposit
like
10
,
20
,
$50
million
in
your
bank
account
today
,
what
would
you
do
differently
tomorrow
?
Or
how
would
you
live
your
life
tomorrow
?
And
I
love
this
question
.
I
used
to
pose
this
question
to
my
clients
when
I
was
health
coaching
,
which
is
what
would
you
do
different
,
meaning
for
a
lot
of
people
,
they
might
do
a
completely
different
thing
tomorrow
,
like
they
might
like
hop
on
a
plane
and
they
might
go
here
,
or
they
might
go
buy
a
car
,
or
they
might
,
you
know
whatever
.
And
I
always
say
you
know
that
you're
living
your
life
with
depth
and
meaning
and
also
with
healthy
habits
If
you're
already
doing
the
thing
you
do
tomorrow
.
If
you
had
50
million
dollars
deposited
in
your
bank
,
meaning
what
would
I
do
?
I
would
I
always
?
Speaker 2
14:35
I
wake
up
,
I
make
my
coffee
or
some
kind
of
hot
beverage
,
I
I
read
the
Bible
.
That's
for
me
,
that
is
the
God
that
I
worship
.
I
read
the
Bible
,
I
get
in
the
word
and
I
pray
and
I
journal
and
for
whatever
you're
personal
spiritual
connection
or
whatever
it
is
that
you
do
,
that
works
for
you
.
That
is
what
I
do
and
that
gives
me
a
lot
of
peace
where
I
can
simply
know
that's
there
for
me
every
day
,
every
morning
,
that
is
my
habit
,
with
my
coffee
,
and
I
start
the
day
off
with
my
Lord
.
That's
how
I
start
my
day
.
And
then
from
there
I
take
care
of
myself
,
my
own
needs
first
,
before
I
try
to
attend
to
everyone
else
,
meaning
family
or
clients
or
whatnot
,
and
so
I
might
do
a
little
exercise
.
Speaker 2
15:30
I
journal
,
I
will
also
set
the
tone
for
what
kind
of
protein
,
and
I'm
a
big
fan
of
eating
organs
and
organ
meat
yes
,
I
said
that
like
heart
,
liver
,
pancreas
,
kidneys
,
you
name
it
,
but
in
usually
capsule
form
.
So
that's
the
know
,
your
protein
.
And
the
last
one
have
a
gratitude
attitude
with
everything
in
life
.
It's
all
about
gratitude
.
Speaker 1
15:55
So
now
I
want
to
find
out
more
about
the
company
that
you're
part
of
.
So
can
you
please
begin
by
telling
me
more
about
the
company
that
you're
part
of
?
So
can
you
please
begin
by
telling
me
more
?
Speaker 2
16:04
about
the
company
that
you're
part
of
and
its
origin
story
.
So
the
company
I'm
a
part
of
is
my
own
.
I
named
it
the
Untethered
Minimalist
and
also
Tech
VA
Services
.
But
there's
a
meaning
behind
the
Untethered
Minimalist
.
I'm
a
big
fan
of
Nomad
Capitalist
Andrew
Henderson
.
I'm
a
big
fan
of
Nomad
Capitalist
Andrew
Henderson
,
and
I
am
a
minimalist
at
heart
,
not
just
with
stuff
,
but
also
with
life
.
I
will
take
stock
and
I
did
this
in
the
past
.
Speaker 2
16:33
But
minimalism
isn't
just
about
stuff
.
It's
also
about
deciding
what
do
we
want
to
consume
,
whether
it's
food
,
whether
it's
television
,
whether
it's
gossip
.
Whether
it's
television
,
whether
it's
gossip
,
whether
it's
positive
energy
,
positive
people
it's
what
do
we
consume
as
people
.
And
so
minimalism
to
me
isn't
just
about
stuff
,
although
I
do
find
benefit
with
having
less
things
,
especially
traveling
and
being
a
digital
nomad
and
I'm
super
organized
.
So
for
me
,
minimalism
was
an
important
part
of
adding
that
into
Balancing Client Success and Personal Growth
Speaker 2
17:07
the
title
.
Speaker 2
17:07
And
untethered
means
I'm
untethered
,
not
meaning
I
don't
care
about
life
and
people
.
I
deeply
care
about
life
and
people
but
more
about
being
untethered
from
the
expectations
of
others
.
I
know
that
I
can
only
control
myself
,
my
thoughts
,
my
actions
,
my
reactions
,
and
so
I
practice
staying
untethered
to
the
expectation
of
someone
else's
action
or
their
reaction
or
what
they
say
or
what
they
do
or
what
they
don't
do
.
So
that's
where
the
untethered
minimalist
comes
from
.
That's
the
origin
of
the
name
of
my
company
and
Tech
VA
Services
is
I've
talked
already
about
this
a
little
bit
but
being
able
to
help
people
who
come
from
,
like
I
said
,
the
coaching
background
,
the
acting
background
,
the
teacher
background
,
the
anything
non-techie
background
.
Speaker 2
18:00
I
relate
to
that
person
because
I
am
that
person
and
I
dovetail
that
with
finding
this
love
of
tech
,
finding
this
love
of
automation
and
being
able
to
build
and
run
CRMs
and
help
people
run
their
business
with
a
CRM
,
streamlining
everything
by
automating
it
and
then
helping
them
building
their
sales
funnels
and
their
lists
and
social
media
.
Helping
them
building
their
sales
funnels
and
their
lists
and
social
media
and
then
,
if
they
have
dream
projects
like
a
blog
or
a
YouTube
channel
or
an
ebook
or
building
a
digital
course
or
a
membership
,
et
cetera
,
so
I'm
able
to
help
them
make
.
Each
one
of
my
clients
is
very
personalized
in
their
own
company
and
their
own
dream
,
and
so
the
origin
is
blending
those
two
worlds
together
so
that
I
can
help
my
clients
save
time
and
get
back
time
so
they
can
focus
on
their
lives
and
their
clients
and
themselves
to
be
more
happy
and
positive
.
Speaker 2
18:54
And
what's
unique
about
the
company
my
company
,
the
Untethered
Minimalist
,
is
that
I
am
not
just
the
founder
,
I'm
not
just
a
techie
person
,
I'm
not
just
someone
who
wants
to
make
a
bunch
of
money
and
I'm
simply
a
.
I
come
from
the
health
world
.
I
learned
technology
enough
to
then
blend
those
two
worlds
to
help
my
clients
who
,
specifically
,
are
most
likely
coming
from
the
health
or
artistic
world
or
the
acting
world
that
just
anything
non-techie
and
that
person
I
can
really
I
can
relate
to
and
I
can
really
accommodate
and
work
with
.
I
can
really
accommodate
and
work
with
and
I
think
that's
what
makes
my
company
the
most
unique
is
that
I
have
the
techie
as
well
background
and
so
I
understand
how
to
build
things
and
automate
things
and
make
people's
lives
a
bit
easier
with
their
own
business
so
that
they
can
have
more
time
back
.
And
I
think
that
is
what
sets
me
apart
from
just
someone
in
general
who
works
in
tech
or
who
builds
CRMs
and
or
can
do
all
the
techie
backend
stuff
to
help
run
and
operate
like
an
OBM
.
Speaker 2
20:18
I
think
you
either
have
more
of
a
techie
personality
where
maybe
you're
not
as
much
of
a
people
person
that's
not
everyone
,
obviously
,
I'm
generalizing
but
that
maybe
you
just
want
to
do
backend
tasks
and
you
don't
want
to
really
chit
chat
and
get
to
know
clients
,
and
that
can
be
.
I
know
that's
been
some
client
feedback
where
my
clients
have
said
it's
a
pleasure
getting
on
a
Zoom
call
with
me
to
talk
about
backend
tests
that
I'm
going
to
do
and
how
I'm
building
out
something
in
their
CRM
for
their
next
launch
or
something
.
And
they'll
say
it's
a
pleasure
versus
being
some
awful
daunting
task
where
it's
just
not
their
forte
and
they
don't
really
understand
certain
things
and
I
can
make
it
a
pleasurable
conversation
and
working
together
and
building
.
They
say
that
it's
enjoyable
versus
an
awful
daunting
task
.
So
I
would
say
that's
what
sets
me
apart
and
that's
what
makes
my
company
unique
.
Speaker 1
21:15
What's
your
philosophy
on
building
a
great
team
?
Speaker 2
21:18
So
my
base
philosophy
with
building
a
great
team
is
this
I
believe
that
,
as
freelancers
and
entrepreneurs
and
digital
nomads
,
when
we
are
working
for
ourselves
,
that
we
need
to
be
paid
first
and
we
need
to
bill
up
front
and
be
paid
for
the
work
up
front
.
And
so
I
set
the
tone
from
the
very
beginning
.
I
bill
my
clients
at
the
beginning
of
the
month
.
Most
clients
I
do
a
build
out
the
first
month
and
then
we
go
into
a
retainer
fee
and
there's
a
minimum
required
hours
.
But
I
really
don't
work
by
the
hour
anymore
.
It's
simply
I
bill
them
based
on
certain
tasks
and
it's
a
retainer
every
month
,
but
I
bill
upfront
and
I
get
paid
upfront
,
and
I
believe
that
the
team
that
I've
built
I
do
the
same
thing
.
I
pay
them
upfront
for
so
many
hours
and
then
,
if
they
are
working
on
a
project
and
they
have
to
add
additional
hours
,
they
just
let
me
know
where
I'm
still
working
on
this
and
then
they
say
,
hey
,
I
just
did
these
extra
hours
and
then
I
go
ahead
and
pay
them
for
those
as
well
.
So
I
know
that
psychologically
,
this
is
how
I
work
better
when
I
have
money
in
my
account
from
my
client
.
Money
in
my
bank
account
is
what
I'm
trying
to
say
I
am
psychologically
and
emotionally
,
I'm
much
more
stable
,
I
feel
much
more
productive
,
I'm
much
more
motivated
and
I
also
want
to
do
a
great
job
.
They've
already
paid
me
,
so
that's
always
been
a
motivator
,
from
my
very
first
client
on
,
and
that's
how
I've
also
built
my
team
is
that
I
want
them
to
be
super
motivated
to
get
the
tasks
done
and
I
want
them
to
know
that
they've
already
been
paid
and
most
people
you
know
are
going
to
feel
much
more
calm
and
relaxed
and
just
simply
do
a
better
job
and
be
motivated
when
they're
paid
first
.
And
I
know
it's
a
completely
different
story
when
you
work
for
a
company
.
You
do
work
and
then
you
get
paid
two
weeks
later
or
you
get
paid
a
month
later
and
that's
fine
.
That's
one
philosophy
of
working
.
Speaker 2
23:27
But
as
entrepreneurs
since
we
really
have
to
protect
ourselves
billing
upfront
and
getting
paid
upfront
and
then
that's
how
I
treat
my
team
members
they
get
paid
upfront
and
it's
a
win
,
because
I
believe
it
really
helps
with
motivation
working
every
day
.
Because
,
let's
be
honest
,
when
we
work
online
,
there's
a
lot
of
trust
because
we're
not
in
the
same
space
,
we're
not
in
the
same
office
,
and
when
you're
working
online
,
when
you're
working
remotely
and
you
have
clients
or
you're
building
a
team
,
there
is
a
lot
of
trust
.
That
has
to
be
the
foundation
,
and
so
when
that's
the
beginning
,
the
foundation
,
we
do
our
work
.
We
do
it
in
a
timely
manner
.
That's
why
asynchronous
works
in
so
many
instances
,
because
it
doesn't
matter
what
time
zone
you
live
in
,
what
part
of
the
world
,
as
long
as
you're
getting
tasks
done
in
a
mindful
amount
of
time
and
getting
the
work
done
.
That's
really
what
matters
,
and
so
I'm
just
a
big
believer
in
when
we're
paid
up
front
,
I'll
as
well
with
the
world
.
Speaker 1
24:33
Can
you
talk
me
through
the
steps
of
your
hiring
process
?
How
would
you
describe
the
company's
success
so
far
?
How
?
Speaker 2
24:41
would
you
describe
the
company's
success
so
far
?
I
describe
the
success
of
my
company
by
several
things
by
the
feedback
that
I
get
from
our
clients
.
That
would
be
the
first
thing
,
and
definitely
my
lifestyle
.
If
I
am
working
and
I'm
able
to
handle
the
flow
of
clients
each
week
,
I'm
able
to
finish
working
at
a
certain
time
in
the
day
or
later
in
the
day
so
that
I
can
go
to
the
gym
or
go
swim
or
do
the
things
that
I
need
to
do
.
If
I'm
able
to
take
off
which
is
very
important
for
me
to
be
able
to
take
off
my
day
of
rest
each
week
on
the
weekend
,
my
day
of
rest
each
week
on
the
weekend
,
as
long
as
my
lifestyle
is
balanced
and
that
really
falls
on
my
shoulders
,
and
then
I
feel
like
that's
a
sign
of
success
Financially
,
as
long
as
I
am
hitting
marks
each
month
and
each
year
as
I
grow
,
to
accommodate
this
lifestyle
and
then
be
able
to
put
some
of
my
extra
resources
into
growing
the
business
,
having
extra
team
members
and
also
building
some
of
my
other
passion
projects
,
which
one
I
mentioned
earlier
was
the
tours
that
we
do
in
Anatolia
modern
day
Turkey
and
knowing
that
I
can
then
hire
my
own
virtual
assistant
to
help
me
with
some
of
the
other
passion
projects
that
I
have
.
Expanding Opportunities and Lifestyle Vision
Speaker 2
26:09
So
those
are
all
signs
of
success
for
me
.
Having
simply
earning
X
and
buying
this
size
house
Like
,
those
are
not
measures
,
those
are
not
markers
for
me
that
relate
to
me
.
For
success
,
everybody's
different
,
but
I
would
say
my
lifestyle
,
my
client's
happiness
and
knowing
that
then
I
can
continue
to
expand
my
passion
projects
,
or
AKA
,
multiple
streams
of
income
,
those
are
all
signs
of
success
for
me
.
Speaker 1
26:42
And
what's
next
on
the
horizon
?
Speaker 2
26:45
So
what's
next
for
my
company
,
the
Untethered
Minimalist
,
what's
on
the
horizon
?
We
have
a
new
client
that
has
quite
a
few
clients
under
them
.
They
all
need
help
and
support
getting
automated
and
simply
streamlining
their
business
.
So
that's
one
thing
that's
exciting
for
the
foreseeable
rest
of
2024
.
We
should
be
staying
pretty
busy
with
a
nice
flow
of
new
clients
each
week
and
helping
them
and
these
clients
all
of
them
help
people
be
healthier
,
so
that's
really
rewarding
.
Speaker 2
27:20
The
other
thing
for
the
untethered
Minimalist
is
to
I
really
want
to
have
a
book
,
write
my
book
,
get
that
done
which
would
be
titled
the
Untethered
Minimalist
and
it
would
be
a
story
about
my
journey
abroad
,
living
abroad
,
being
a
digital
nomad
,
my
health
journey
and
putting
it
all
together
and
how
I
got
from
A
to
B
and
also
putting
more
time
into
our
tour
business
in
Anatolia
and
doing
these
biblical
walking
walk
,
the
Bible
tours
.
Speaker 2
27:55
And
the
other
thing
on
the
horizon
for
the
Untethered
Mentalist
is
digital
courses
.
So
I
have
quite
a
few
digital
courses
in
mind
some
tech
and
some
health
related
courses
and
actually
some
archaeology
and
anthropology
educational
courses
.
So
really
getting
some
digital
courses
out
into
the
world
is
a
huge
goal
for
me
and
,
of
course
,
a
huge
bonus
is
to
have
that
,
those
extra
streams
of
semi
passive
streams
of
income
with
digital
courses
.
It's
not
a
one
and
done
,
but
simply
getting
those
courses
out
in
the
world
and
sharing
that
information
and
education
with
people
is
a
really
exciting
endeavor
for
me
to
take
on
.
So
those
are
the
things
that
are
on
the
horizon
for
us
here
at
the
Undothered
Minimalist
.
Speaker 1
28:46
Is
there
a
particular
team
or
company
whose
culture
you
admire
?
Speaker 2
28:51
I
would
say
one
of
the
companies
and
founders
who
I
admire
is
I
mentioned
before
is
Andrew
Henderson
.
He's
the
founder
and
CEO
of
Nomad
Capitalist
.
I
think
because
there's
a
blend
of
his
entrepreneurial
spirit
as
an
American
when
he
was
living
in
the
United
States
and
then
his
love
of
travel
and
meeting
people
from
other
cultures
and
other
parts
of
the
world
and
expanding
his
horizons
just
as
a
human
being
.
Those
two
points
I
completely
relate
to
with
him
.
He's
gone
on
to
expand
the
company
.
I
think
there's
a
large
base
in
Armenia
and
he's
gone
on
to
say
how
wonderful
his
team
members
are
in
Armenia
and
what
a
great
place
to
have
as
a
base
.
I
think
also
Serbia
Serbia
and
Armenia
,
I
believe
,
are
the
two
places
where
he's
just
found
really
excellent
team
and
remote
team
workers
and
in-person
team
workers
Everything
that
they've
done
to
help
people
simply
open
their
eyes
to
being
able
to
live
abroad
,
move
abroad
,
maybe
,
change
their
tax
jurisdiction
,
acquire
other
residences
,
other
citizenships
,
acquire
real
estate
abroad
,
move
their
business
completely
,
move
their
family
world
,
school
their
family
,
their
children
.
So
really
he's
been
great
at
educating
people
on
steps
through
his
book
,
through
his
YouTube
channel
,
who
may
not
be
able
to
afford
his
services
,
his
VIP
services
,
but
he's
been
a
great
educator
for
me
.
Speaker 2
30:31
I've
been
following
the
Nomad
Capitalists
since
2016
,
2017
.
And
so
watching
their
growth
and
what
they've
really
I've
really
admired
their
work
and
his
philosophy
in
life
and
simply
seeing
the
world
as
different
places
that
you
can
move
and
create
options
.
Simply
creating
options
by
having
another
residence
or
another
citizenship
,
versus
a
classic
thing
that
we
do
in
North
America
as
Americans
,
which
is
we
can
really
get
Americans
can
really
get
stuck
Geographically
.
We're
stuck
in
North
America
and
there's
also
a
mentality
that
can
go
with
that
,
where
Americans
,
maybe
partly
unknowingly
and
partly
knowingly
,
stop
thinking
about
the
rest
of
the
world
.
And
in
Europe
,
it's
really
easy
to
think
about
the
rest
of
the
world
because
you're
interacting
with
so
many
other
wonderful
humans
.
So
that's
why
I
admire
Not
my
Capitalist
.
Speaker 1
31:34
And
,
as
we
begin
to
wrap
up
,
what
excites
you
about
what's
ahead
?
Speaker 2
31:39
Something
that
excites
me
about
what's
ahead
is
simply
building
the
untethered
minimalist
and
building
our
client
family
in
a
very
methodical
,
realistic
way
.
I
know
how
many
clients
,
how
many
new
clients
,
we
can
take
on
per
month
,
and
then
how
many
then
will
go
into
a
maintenance
,
monthly
retainer
maintenance
and
doing
that
in
a
methodical
way
where
I'm
not
only
motivated
by
dollars
but
I'm
motivated
by
the
quality
that
we're
turning
out
and
how
many
people
we
can
help
and
their
success
.
So
that's
what
excites
me
about
the
growth
of
the
rest
of
this
year
2024
,
and
then
looking
at
2025
,
and
then
expanding
my
team
members
as
needed
,
and
then
expanding
my
team
members
as
needed
,
and
then
also
continuing
to
live
and
travel
in
some
other
places
when
I'm
not
in
the
United
States
,
helping
my
parents
and
helping
my
family
,
spending
time
where
we
love
,
which
is
in
the
Middle
East
Passions in History and Travel
Speaker 2
32:55
,
and
exploring
more
places
that
we
love
.
I
have
,
as
I
shared
,
a
love
of
archaeology
,
anthropology
,
geography
and
history
,
and
so
,
for
me
,
I
have
a
deep
interest
in
getting
my
hands
and
feet
into
the
dirt
and
actually
walking
and
exploring
different
parts
of
the
Middle
East
,
the
Levant
and
Asia
Minor
region
,
and
biblical
history
and
archaeology
is
a
deep
interest
.
So
those
are
the
things
that
excite
me
about
our
tour
business
,
which
I
mentioned
,
which
is
trips
in
Asia
Minor
.
Speaker 2
33:39
In
Asia
Minor
,
and
we
do
small
pilgrimage
type
,
boutique
tours
for
those
who
want
to
simply
read
their
Bible
and
walk
the
Bible
with
us
together
.
And
whether
you're
a
believer
or
not
,
if
you
love
history
,
if
you
love
archaeology
and
if
you
do
love
reading
the
Bible
and
walking
the
Bible
,
you
will
love
these
boutique
,
small
pilgrimage
type
tours
that
we
have
,
where
we
simply
we
break
bread
together
,
we
share
stories
,
we
pray
together
and
we
have
a
marvelous
time
simply
being
human
beings
together
in
this
ancient
part
of
the
world
that
has
so
much
incredible
ancient
human
history
,
and
so
I'm
really
excited
about
that
.
And
,
yeah
,
just
being
a
human
being
in
this
time
and
in
human
history
is
really
fascinating
,
because
there
are
so
many
things
going
on
with
technology
and
so
many
different
things
going
on
in
different
parts
of
the
world
,
so
I
think
it's
an
incredible
time
to
be
alive
as
a
human
being
.
So
bless
all
of
you
.
Speaker 1
34:44
And
what
do
you
like
to
do
when
you're
not
working
?
Speaker 2
34:47
So
,
as
I've
mentioned
,
I
don't
really
watch
TV
.
I
like
to
watch
and
read
biographies
and
anything
to
do
with
specifically
ancient
history
,
specifically
Mesopotamia
,
the
Bronze
Age
,
the
Stone
Age
,
asia
Minor
in
general
,
anatolia
,
asia
Minor
,
which
is
modern
day
Turkey
,
anything
to
do
with
the
Levant
,
the
Levantine
region
,
anything
to
do
with
the
Gulf
countries
,
the
Gulf
region
,
which
I
used
to
live
in
,
saudi
Arabia
and
Kuwait
,
and
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
Bahrain
and
the
UAE
.
So
my
interest
and
passion
really
lies
with
,
as
I
mentioned
,
archaeology
,
anthropology
,
geography
and
history
,
specifically
ancient
history
,
in
those
parts
of
the
world
.
I've
been
lucky
enough
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
in
Southeast
Asia
.
I
lived
in
China
and
I've
spent
some
time
in
South
America
as
well
,
so
there's
lots
of
different
parts
of
the
world
I
still
haven't
been
but
the
Middle
East
and
actually
also
Eastern
Europe
and
the
Caucasus
area
.
That's
what
really
is
drawing
me
in
now
.
So
studying
and
going
and
traveling
in
those
places
,
trying
their
food
,
learning
a
bit
of
their
language
,
talking
to
the
locals
,
learning
about
their
history
and
their
music
and
their
clothing
,
and
anything
to
do
with
the
people
and
their
clothing
and
anything
to
do
with
the
people
this
is
the
thing
that
really
I
spend
the
most
time
doing
outside
of
work
.
Speaker 2
36:18
And
lastly
,
I'll
say
I
love
to
cook
.
I
cook
intuitively
.
I
cook
nose
to
tail
.
I
believe
in
using
the
entire
part
of
the
animal
.
I
eat
,
pretty
much
like
people
have
for
the
last
5,000
years
,
which
is
I
eat
.
I
eat
and
cook
a
lot
of
meat
and
grass
,
fed
,
pasture
,
raised
type
foods
,
type
animals
,
and
then
so
I
love
to
cook
and
make
cooking
videos
.
And
I
also
love
to
do
fitness
.
I
love
to
swim
and
do
Pilates
and
weight
training
and
I
love
to
be
with
other
believers
and
I
love
to
read
my
Bible
and
,
most
of
all
,
I
love
to
spend
time
with
my
Lord
Yeshua
.
So
that's
what
I
do
when
I'm
not
working
.
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