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Global Solutions for Remote Working
Alex
0:00
This
is
the
Remote
Work
Life
Podcast
.
Yes
,
it
certainly
is
,
and
I'm
your
host
,
alex
Wilson-Campbell
.
Thank
you
so
much
for
joining
me
.
Have
you
ever
found
yourself
trying
to
find
somewhere
to
work
,
somewhere
that's
comfortable
,
somewhere
you
feel
you
can
be
at
your
most
productive
,
and
somewhere
that's
got
good
Wi-Fi
?
Well
,
today's
guest
,
sam
Rosen
,
is
co-founder
and
CEO
of
a
business
that
has
solved
that
problem
on
a
global
scale
,
and
the
origin
story
of
the
business
is
something
to
certainly
listen
out
for
,
as
is
the
refreshing
way
in
which
his
team
goes
about
the
hiring
process
.
So
listen
up
and
enjoy
today's
episode
.
Today's
episode
.
Sam Rosen
0:44
So
I
am
based
out
of
Chicago
and
I
am
the
co-founder
and
CEO
of
DeskPass
,
which
is
a
marketplace
that
helps
connect
companies
and
the
folks
who
work
at
those
companies
with
flexible
workspaces
all
over
the
world
.
So
that
includes
desks
,
meeting
rooms
and
offices
all
available
by
the
hour
,
up
to
month
to
month
to
month
.
I'm
based
out
of
Chicago
and
have
a
nice
little
family
.
I
live
in
a
little
town
called
Oak
Park
.
Sam Rosen
1:16
I
came
into
this
industry
as
a
designer
.
Before
this
,
I
started
a
design
firm
called
One
Design
Company
here
in
Chicago
that
does
work
all
over
the
world
for
all
sorts
of
really
interesting
clients
,
and
so
my
background
has
always
really
been
the
intersection
of
design
and
technology
and
because
of
that
,
I
came
across
co-working
really
really
early
on
,
when
there
are
about
300
spaces
in
the
world
that
call
themselves
a
co-working
space
,
and
my
on
,
when
there
were
about
300
spaces
in
the
world
that
called
themselves
a
co-working
space
,
and
my
partner
at
the
agency
and
I
opened
the
first
co-working
space
in
Chicago
.
So
I
have
a
really
interesting
,
I
think
,
perspective
and
there's
probably
30,000
plus
workspaces
to
just
this
change
in
how
we
work
and
where
we
work
,
and
I've
always
really
taken
it
from
just
a
perspective
of
humans
and
design
and
human
,
just
how
we
work
and
how
we
think
about
living
our
best
life
.
Alex
2:18
Next
,
can
you
describe
a
personal
story
or
experience
that
has
influenced
who
you
are
today
?
Sam Rosen
2:24
a
personal
story
or
experience
that
has
influenced
who
you
are
today
.
Well
,
to
this
question
is
how
I
came
across
co-working
and
,
like
I
mentioned
,
I
owned
an
agency
or
still
do
and
I
got
to
travel
a
lot
.
There's
probably
like
less
than
10
of
us
and
I
was
traveling
to
New
York
a
lot
from
Chicago
and
I
was
living
out
of
when
I
was
there
,
out
of
my
girlfriend's
apartment
and
she
was
super
cool
.
She
had
a
horrible
.
She
had
a
garden
apartment
with
a
thin
layer
of
clothing
always
on
the
ground
and
very
bad
internet
and
very
bad
cell
phone
coverage
and
we
actually
had
the
biggest
pitch
that
we
had
to
date
and
I
was
kicking
off
the
engagement
and
I
don't
know
.
I
dropped
the
call
like
five
plus
times
and
my
colleague
at
the
time
was
like
dude
,
you
can't
do
this
anymore
,
you
need
to
get
your
shit
together
.
Sam Rosen
3:18
So
I
did
what
any
I
think
New
York
hipster
would
do
is
I
found
a
cool
cafe
that
was
down
the
street
called
the
rabbit
hole
.
I
always
love
the
names
in
these
stories
and
I
would
work
out
of
the
rabbit
hole
all
day
.
Honestly
,
didn't
have
much
better
internet
and
much
better
cell
coverage
and
they
clearly
didn't
want
me
to
work
there
because
I
had
a
table
tent
that
would
say
would
say
no
working
during
lunch
rush
.
Then
the
power
stopped
working
and
they
turned
off
the
Wi-Fi
.
So
I
was
trying
to
find
a
solution
and
that
same
colleague
said
,
hey
,
have
you
ever
heard
of
co-working
?
And
I
said
,
well
,
I
think
most
people
said
at
that
time
which
was
co-what
?
And
there
was
like
one
co-working
wiki
that
had
all
the
co-working
spaces
in
the
world
about
300
of
them
and
one
was
in
New
York
,
a
few
blocks
away
,
and
I
decided
to
give
it
a
try
and
the
name
of
that
place
at
the
time
was
the
Change
you
Want
to
See
.
Sam Rosen
4:11
So
I
ended
up
with
the
Change
you
Want
to
See
and
showed
up
,
had
no
idea
what
I
was
getting
myself
into
,
and
the
guy
said
,
hey
,
are
you
here
for
co-working
?
And
I
said
yeah
.
He
said
okay
,
great
,
and
helped
me
to
get
myself
comfortable
.
I
had
a
few
rules
to
be
respectful
,
to
not
take
over
too
much
internet
and
at
the
end
of
the
day
,
if
you
liked
the
experience
,
to
drop
a
tip
in
the
tip
jar
,
girlfriend
,
and
were
in
design
and
media
and
entertainment
and
just
really
absolutely
fell
in
love
with
this
idea
of
collaborative
working
and
working
with
people
other
than
your
colleagues
,
but
together
,
and
I
looked
to
see
who
is
doing
this
in
Chicago
and
the
answer
was
nobody
.
But
there
were
already
people
who
signed
up
saying
I'd
be
interested
in
this
space
.
So
my
partner
and
I
decided
to
give
it
a
shot
and
that's
really
like
the
origin
of
how
I
found
co-working
and
that
really
,
I
think
has
been
quite
instrumental
in
my
path
since
then
.
Alex
5:14
As
you
look
back
on
your
life
and
connect
the
dots
that
led
you
where
you
are
now
.
What
are
those
dots
?
Sam Rosen
5:23
Like
when
I
think
about
answering
this
question
it
always
comes
to
me
back
to
how
I
was
raised
and
I
have
a
really
fabulous
family
.
My
mom's
a
painter
,
my
dad
directed
television
growing
up
and
was
in
production
.
So
I
always
kind
of
grew
up
in
this
like
mix
of
art
and
production
and
media
.
That
has
really
guided
a
lot
of
how
I've
thought
about
and
I've
always
been
very
,
very
entrepreneurial
.
So
since
I
was
a
little
kid
I've
always
had
some
type
of
racket
,
whether
it
be
like
self-publishing
or
doing
website
design
or
just
trying
to
find
ways
to
add
some
value
.
That
led
to
the
design
agency
,
which
will
be
20
years
in
January
,
to
the
design
agency
,
which
will
be
20
years
in
January
,
and
the
design
agency
has
really
shaped
a
lot
of
how
I
think
about
the
world
.
Sam Rosen
6:11
I've
been
able
to
learn
a
lot
about
different
industries
,
always
sort
of
thinking
about
how
great
design
and
great
brand
intersects
with
really
interesting
upcoming
innovative
technology
.
So
that's
really
been
sort
of
the
bedrock
of
how
I
think
about
things
.
And
then
I
just
kind
of
right
place
,
right
time
came
across
workspace
and
this
was
a
long
time
ago
,
15
years
ago
but
it
was
always
pretty
clear
to
me
,
using
sort
of
this
frame
of
knowledge
that
how
we
work
and
where
we
work
was
backwards
.
It
wasn't
oriented
around
the
people
who
are
the
workers
.
It
was
oriented
around
their
boss
or
the
building
owner
or
the
bank
.
And
then
,
foremost
,
like
these
spaces
that
we
work
out
of
are
mostly
empty
,
offices
have
been
fairly
underutilized
for
a
really
long
time
.
Offices
have
been
fairly
underutilized
for
a
really
long
time
.
So
my
background
in
design
and
thinking
about
new
ways
to
create
value
has
really
driven
me
into
this
world
of
the
future
of
work
and
how
we
make
work
work
for
us
.
Alex
7:24
Why
did
you
decide
to
become
a
leader
in
your
chosen
?
Sam Rosen
7:26
niche
For
me
.
I
think
it's
always
been
about
following
my
intuition
and
my
gut
.
This
path
has
been
very
organic
and
intuitive
and
I've
just
sort
of
learned
new
things
and
always
been
very
open
to
change
.
So
I
think
it's
following
what
I've
learned
and
how
to
apply
that
to
new
ideas
and
new
things
.
I
think
anytime
you
try
to
get
really
good
at
something
,
the
best
way
to
do
that
is
to
learn
,
it's
to
listen
,
it's
to
build
community
and
connection
.
So
for
me
,
I
don't
know
if
I
chose
this
.
I
don't
think
as
a
little
kid
I
thought
,
hey
,
I'm
going
to
become
an
expert
in
the
future
of
work
and
the
office
.
But
I
think
just
my
lived
experience
and
then
my
curiosity
has
really
driven
me
to
live
in
this
world
and
learn
about
this
world
.
And
it's
been
quite
fascinating
through
COVID
and
over
the
last
few
years
just
to
see
how
much
this
world
has
transformed
.
So
it's
kept
it
very
exciting
and
engaging
.
Flexibility, Productivity, and Remote Work
Alex
8:35
What
was
the
best
advice
anyone
ever
gave
you
,
and
did
you
follow
it
?
Sam Rosen
8:40
One
of
my
favorite
quotes
is
actually
a
baseball
quote
.
It's
a
Branch
Rickey
quote
,
who
was
a
baseball
coach
,
and
my
dad
taught
it
to
me
at
a
very
young
age
.
And
that
is
luck
is
the
residue
of
design
,
and
I've
always
really
heeded
this
advice
.
If
you
ask
anybody
,
was
it
luck
or
was
it
hard
work
?
It's
always
a
combination
of
both
.
And
if
you
just
say
it's
hard
work
,
I
think
for
99%
of
people
that's
ego
.
Luck
is
such
an
instrumental
part
of
opportunity
and
success
.
But
I
think
the
people
that
I
know
that
have
been
really
successful
have
kept
this
concept
in
common
,
which
is
they
work
their
butts
off
,
they
put
themselves
in
the
right
room
in
the
right
opportunities
in
the
right
situations
and
then
they
let
luck
do
its
thing
.
So
I
think
it's
trusting
that
if
you
put
in
the
work
,
you
get
yourself
into
the
right
rooms
.
If
you
put
in
the
work
and
build
the
right
relationships
and
connections
and
just
be
patient
,
the
luck
will
come
.
Alex
9:50
And
what
made
you
choose
remote
work
and
how
has
it
benefited
you
?
Sam Rosen
9:55
I
love
this
question
.
For
me
,
remote
work
was
really
intuitive
.
I
love
this
question
.
For
me
,
remote
work
was
really
intuitive
.
I'm
at
the
age
where
,
you
know
,
in
my
career
,
the
internet
has
always
been
like
a
big
piece
of
it
.
So
for
us
,
when
we're
starting
the
agency
,
the
ability
to
allow
our
employees
to
work
where
they
get
their
best
work
done
has
always
seemed
very
intuitive
.
The
ability
to
hire
people
from
all
over
the
world
,
all
over
different
backgrounds
and
disciplines
,
has
just
been
made
our
quality
of
life
,
really
an
experience
and
ability
to
execute
,
I
think
,
much
better
For
me
.
Sam Rosen
10:33
I
love
remote
work
,
I
love
people
,
I
love
being
in
the
same
room
with
people
and
I
do
that
as
much
as
I
can
but
having
the
flexibility
and
autonomy
to
work
where
it
makes
sense
for
that
day
or
for
that
hour
or
for
that
project
,
or
being
able
to
respond
.
I
got
two
little
kids
,
I
have
a
five
and
a
seven-year-old
.
So
being
able
to
adjust
my
day
and
my
life
to
be
able
to
support
them
and
be
present
,
adjust
my
day
and
my
life
to
be
able
to
support
them
and
be
present
,
and
that's
what
it's
all
about
.
I
think
life's
too
short
to
not
give
yourself
,
and
if
you're
able
to
the
flexibility
to
be
present
and
flexible
.
So
I
think
that
flexibility
has
really
been
a
huge
driver
for
me
personally
and
,
as
we
focus
on
Desk
paths
,
the
ability
to
help
others
and
make
it
easier
for
them
to
do
that
has
been
really
quite
a
joy
.
Alex
11:28
What
are
your
best
tips
for
organizing
your
day
and
staying
productive
?
Sam Rosen
11:34
Oh
man
,
this
is
.
I
mean
,
I'm
like
a
productivity
sort
of
junkie
.
So
I've
tried
all
the
to-do
lists
,
all
the
apps
,
lots
of
different
techniques
.
I
think
for
me
,
you
know
,
some
tactics
that
are
pretty
consistent
are
I
have
a
great
,
I
love
a
good
to-do
list
.
I
think
really
staying
organized
,
having
a
place
like
an
inbox
to
put
your
ideas
and
thoughts
and
kind
of
a
process
to
work
through
them
and
organize
them
,
is
really
cool
.
Sam Rosen
12:04
I
use
a
tool
called
Aki
Flow
today
,
a-k-i-f-l-o-w
,
which
is
really
cool
and
I've
tried
all
of
them
.
But
one
of
the
big
principles
in
there
is
time
blocking
and
I
think
time
blocking
is
really
a
powerful
tool
,
especially
as
you're
remote
.
A
powerful
tool
,
especially
as
you're
remote
,
which
is
setting
these
dedicated
blocks
to
put
the
work
in
and
keeping
distractions
out
.
So
really
setting
a
goal
for
an
amount
of
time
,
figuring
out
the
best
way
to
kind
of
eliminate
the
distractions
that
can
come
from
that
and
just
really
staying
at
top
of
that
.
That's
probably
like
my
favorite
tool
and
tactic
right
now
is
a
good
tool
like
this
hockey
flow
,
time
blocking
or
use
like
sound
to
kind
of
and
just
like
a
couple
things
that
I
do
on
my
desk
to
like
make
sure
I
know
that
I'm
in
a
work
mode
rather
than
play
mode
and
that
might
be
like
hiding
other
windows
or
lighting
an
incense
or
playing
music
.
That
sort
of
stimulates
focus
.
Alex
13:03
So
now
I
want
to
find
out
more
about
the
company
that
you're
part
of
.
So
can
you
please
begin
by
telling
me
more
about
the
company
that
you're
part
of
and
its
origin
story
?
Sam Rosen
13:13
When
we
were
building
a
co-working
space
and
being
a
company
that
builds
technology
and
design
,
we
started
to
really
riff
on
ideas
and
tools
to
help
people
run
these
co-working
spaces
,
and
that
was
called
desk
time
and
through
that
and
interviewing
and
meeting
hundreds
and
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
different
workspace
providers
,
we
realized
,
man
,
what
these
spaces
need
more
than
anything
.
Sam Rosen
13:37
It's
not
fancy
technology
to
run
,
billing
and
connect
community
as
much
as
it
is
a
tool
to
get
butts
in
seats
,
really
to
drive
people
into
these
workspaces
.
So
that
was
really
the
initial
concept
behind
DeskPass
.
It
was
modeled
after
ClassPass
,
which
did
the
same
thing
for
gyms
,
and
we
thought
that
was
such
an
interesting
model
and
I
think
for
us
,
listening
to
our
customers
,
listening
to
the
data
,
we've
really
evolved
that
model
over
time
to
really
support
companies
that
are
thinking
about
remote
work
and
hybrid
work
and
allowing
their
employees
to
work
more
flexibly
.
And
we've
just
sort
of
listened
and
evolved
the
business
and
the
product
to
support
the
changes
that
we're
seeing
.
And
I
think
from
when
we
started
almost
15
years
ago
thinking
about
coworking
or
I
did
so
much
has
changed
and
evolved
and
improved
.
So
it's
been
this
yeah
,
this
very
natural
path
from
design
shop
co-working
operator
to
building
co-working
software
to
helping
these
flexible
workspace
providers
connect
with
individuals
and
companies
that
are
looking
for
great
workspaces
that
are
more
convenient
to
them
in
their
life
.
Building a Flexible Workspace Marketplace
Alex
14:53
And
what's
unique
about
the
company
.
Sam Rosen
14:56
There's
a
bunch
of
,
I
think
,
really
unique
things
about
DeskPass
.
I
think
often
people
compare
us
to
other
single
operators
like
Quora
in
the
UK
or
Industrious
,
which
are
all
really
successful
co-working
brands
.
What's
cool
about
DeskPass
is
it's
a
marketplace
of
thousands
and
thousands
and
thousands
of
bookable
resources
all
over
the
world
and
they're
not
all
like
WeWork
or
Regis
.
There
are
lots
of
mom
and
pop
shops
,
there
are
lots
of
local
operators
combined
with
the
big
guys
,
so
you
have
one
place
where
you
can
see
lots
of
options
in
your
neighborhood
.
You
can
find
the
right
space
for
you
and
compare
it
and
book
it
and
do
all
the
billing
through
our
platform
.
So
we
don't
own
any
of
the
office
space
but
we
partner
with
all
the
best
operators
all
over
the
world
.
And
this
means
downtown
but
also
like
much
more
rural
communities
.
So
that's
really
unique
about
our
platform
.
I
think
.
Just
also
,
we
really
care
about
design
.
We
really
care
about
user
experience
.
We
really
care
about
the
brand
.
Sam Rosen
16:10
Like
I
said
,
my
origin
is
building
a
co-working
space
.
So
,
like
a
lot
of
our
team
members
are
operators
,
they've
run
co-working
spaces
,
they
are
remote
employees
.
We
practice
what
we
preach
.
And
then
I'd
say
,
lastly
,
our
model
is
really
cool
.
Our
model
is
completely
pay-as-you-go
.
Sam Rosen
16:31
It's
completely
utilization-driven
,
meaning
if
you're
a
company
and
you
want
to
offer
DustPast
to
your
employees
,
you
can
build
a
branded
to
your
company
solution
.
You
can
roll
it
out
to
your
employees
.
They
get
access
to
it
.
If
they
don't
use
it
,
you
don't
pay
for
it
.
If
they
use
it
,
you
pay
for
it
.
So
you
only
pay
for
what
you
use
.
There's
no
licensing
or
minimums
or
software
fees
and
you
can
set
restrictions
and
rules
to
allow
you
to
really
kind
of
control
budget
and
how
much
someone
gets
to
use
this
.
So
it's
a
really
cool
way
to
offer
this
unbelievably
large
network
of
different
types
of
workspaces
,
but
do
it
in
a
way
that's
really
flexible
,
really
inexpensive
and
can
adapt
to
your
company
and
your
needs
or
your
personal
needs
.
That
makes
us
a
lot
different
than
certainly
the
traditional
office
,
but
even
just
like
a
WeWork
membership
.
Alex
17:24
What's
your
philosophy
on
building
a
great
team
?
I'm
going
to
keep
this
one
pretty
short
.
Sam Rosen
17:29
To
me
,
it's
don't
be
a
dick
,
do
the
right
thing
.
To
me
,
it's
building
a
great
team
,
is
building
a
great
company
,
building
a
place
where
people
want
to
work
.
Trusting
your
employees
,
listening
to
them
,
talking
to
them
that's
what
really
matters
.
I
just
think
life
is
too
short
to
not
build
a
place
where
you
want
to
work
,
and
I
think
that's
what
we
really
focus
on
is
building
a
place
where
our
employees
can
thrive
,
where
they
feel
valued
,
where
we
are
mindful
that
we're
all
humans
,
we're
all
doing
our
best
,
we're
all
learning
.
Try
to
give
folks
the
tools
,
the
guidance
that
they
need
,
to
feel
supported
,
and
I
think
we've
been
really
good
at
that
.
Our
company
is
both
the
best
and
one
design
unbelievable
retention
,
like
if
you
take
care
of
your
people
and
they
know
you're
doing
the
best
you
can
for
them
.
I
think
it
gives
you
a
lot
of
leeway
,
a
lot
of
latitude
and
a
lot
of
flexibility
in
the
hard
stuff
that
comes
from
running
a
business
and
the
hard
decisions
you
have
to
make
.
Alex
18:36
Can
you
talk
me
through
the
steps
of
your
hiring
process
,
sure
?
Sam Rosen
18:41
So
I
think
for
us
,
first
we
try
to
hire
slowly
,
we
try
to
be
pretty
mindful
.
It's
fun
to
hire
someone
,
it's
never
fun
to
have
to
let
somebody
go
.
So
we
really
try
to
hire
slowly
,
we
try
to
be
pretty
mindful
.
It's
fun
to
hire
someone
,
it's
never
fun
to
have
to
let
somebody
go
.
So
we
really
try
to
hire
people
.
When
we
know
there's
aires
and
the
philippines
and
africa
all
over
the
united
states
and
canada
,
that
gives
us
a
lot
of
flexibility
and
ability
to
to
hire
this
much
broader
talent
pool
.
But
yeah
,
I
mean
,
you
do
your
job
description
,
you
get
the
word
out
there
and
then
we
,
once
we
find
candidates
that
really
seem
like
a
good
fit
from
a
qualitative
perspective
,
we
really
try
to
make
sure
that
they
get
to
meet
the
team
,
the
team
meets
them
,
that
it's
a
good
cultural
fit
.
We
often
do
a
contract
to
hire
so
that
we
can
,
if
it's
possible
,
so
that
people
can
kind
of
get
a
vibe
of
the
company
and
make
sure
it's
the
right
place
for
them
and
that
they're
the
right
people
for
us
.
Alex
19:53
How
would
you
describe
the
company's
success
so
far
?
Sam Rosen
19:57
Man
?
That's
a
hard
question
to
ask
an
entrepreneur
.
I
think
,
from
my
perspective
,
we're
always
trying
to
grow
,
we're
always
trying
to
thrive
,
we're
always
comparing
to
grow
,
we're
always
trying
to
thrive
.
We're
always
comparing
ourselves
against
others
.
We're
in
a
relatively
nascent
new
market
where
there's
not
a
lot
of
established
players
and
people
feels
like
you're
behind
and
there's
always
more
to
do
.
And
then
every
once
in
a
while
you
get
to
kind
of
step
back
and
have
some
perspective
or
have
a
conversation
or
some
sort
of
recognition
or
acknowledgement
to
realize
like
no
,
you've
,
we've
come
a
really
far
,
long
way
.
I
think
for
us
we're
one
of
the
sort
of
most
enduring
brands
DuskPass
,
you
know
,
flexible
work
and
co-working
,
I
mean
,
especially
here
in
the
States
.
I
think
we
drive
as
much
traffic
to
workspaces
as
any
other
marketplace
provider
in
the
world
and
we
get
to
work
with
some
of
the
coolest
,
most
innovative
,
interesting
companies
in
the
world
.
So
I
think
like
we've
had
a
lot
of
success
.
But
you
know
,
there's
always
so
much
more
to
do
.
Alex
21:15
And
what's
next
on
the
horizon
?
Sam Rosen
21:18
We
really
started
our
journey
with
external
capital
,
so
we
raised
angel
money
,
we
raised
some
venture
capital
and
that's
been
really
the
driver
that
has
allowed
us
to
grow
and
scale
the
business
.
For
us
,
we're
focused
on
a
couple
of
things
a
,
building
the
best
experience
in
the
world
to
find
flexible
workspaces
,
learn
about
them
,
book
them
and
experience
them
,
and
that's
we're
always
trying
to
iterate
our
product
and
our
tool
and
the
tools
that
we
offer
teams
to
really
manage
this
for
their
employees
.
And
we're
focused
on
continually
evolving
and
improving
the
platform
and
the
technology
and
the
brand
to
support
that
.
And
then
laser
focused
on
building
a
business
that
is
a
profitable
,
cash
flowing
business
,
which
we're
very
close
to
and
I
think
will
give
us
a
lot
of
flexibility
and
the
ability
to
endure
the
future
and
really
control
our
destiny
to
what
we
want
to
build
,
how
we
want
to
build
it
,
sort
of
what
the
right
pace
and
right
decisions
are
for
us
.
Alex
22:26
Is
there
a
particular
team
or
company
whose
culture
you
admire
?
Sam Rosen
22:32
Well
,
I'm
a
Chicago
boy
so
I
tend
to
think
about
companies
here
that
really
inspire
me
.
I
mean
,
I
think
the
one
that
always
comes
top
of
mind
is
Basecamp
,
the
project
management
software
,
the
37
Signals
that's
built
all
sorts
of
other
really
wonderful
tools
written
New
York
Times
bestsellers
on
remote
work
has
really
built
a
philosophy
around
remote
work
,
around
a
quiet
,
calm
company
,
about
a
profitable
,
cash-flowing
company
,
controlling
your
destiny
,
really
supporting
employees
in
a
work-life
balance
and
not
sort
of
mixing
business
with
family
.
There's
other
companies
in
Chicago
,
like
Field
Notes
,
which
is
such
a
cool
brand
,
or
Jim
Cuddle
,
who's
the
founder
,
is
a
really
inspiring
human
to
me
.
Yeah
,
I
like
Tiny
,
which
is
not
a
Chicago
company
but
that
has
built
so
many
cool
projects
that
kind
of
came
from
design
and
then
investing
and
building
and
supporting
other
companies
.
So
I
mean
those
are
companies
that
come
to
mind
.
Growing
up
I
was
such
an
Apple
Steve
Jobs
nerd
so
I
always
sort
of
look
to
them
and
see
what's
happening
.
So
yeah
,
I
think
those
are
a
few
acts
that
come
to
mind
on
the
fly
.
Alex
23:51
And
,
as
we
begin
to
wrap
up
,
what
excites
you
about
what's
ahead
?
Sam Rosen
23:58
One
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
so
cool
about
how
the
world
has
changed
post-COVID
,
around
how
people
work
and
where
people
work
,
is
the
world
has
become
.
Sam Rosen
24:08
Corporations
have
become
a
lot
more
adaptable
and
recognize
that
people
can
be
productive
and
effective
outside
of
the
office
and
,
at
the
end
of
the
day
,
what
that
means
more
freedom
,
more
autonomy
to
the
99.9%
of
people
who
are
not
the
boss
,
who
have
to
get
the
work
done
,
and
giving
them
the
tools
and
the
flexibility
to
really
build
a
life
,
a
lifestyle
that
is
much
more
cooperative
with
their
job
and
less
of
like
a
job
versus
life
,
and
allows
people
to
kind
of
build
the
right
chemistry
that
supports
them
.
So
I
think
one
of
the
coolest
things
about
this
drive
and
growth
in
remote
work
and
worker
flexibility
is
really
just
allowing
people
to
live
.
I
think
that
will
continue
to
happen
.
I
think
that
we're
just
still
at
the
beginning
of
this
and
there's
going
to
be
so
many
more
tools
and
technology
and
cultural
changes
that
are
really
going
to
support
this
and
we're
really
even
though
I've
been
doing
this
almost
15
years
we're
still
in
the
early
innings
and
I
think
it'll
be
really
,
really
wonderful
for
,
hopefully
,
the
humans
that
have
to
do
the
work
.
Alex
25:31
And
what
do
you
like
to
do
when
you're
not
working
?
Sam Rosen
25:34
I'm
a
dad
man
.
I
have
a
five-year-old
,
I
have
a
seven-year-old
.
I
love
being
their
dad
.
I
think
one
of
the
coolest
things
about
being
a
parent
is
a
reminder
to
be
present
.
And
I
just
have
this
wonderful
little
window
where
the
kids
are
young
and
we
all
love
each
other
a
lot
and
we're
their
world
and
I
just
like
I'm
trying
to
spend
a
lot
of
my
time
and
energy
appreciating
that
and
enjoying
it
while
it's
here
,
before
it
changes
Other
than
that
.
I
love
to
travel
,
I
love
to
eat
,
photography
,
I
love
taking
photos
.
Those
are
the
things
that
.
Really
.
That's
more
than
enough
with
a
full-time
job
running
Best
Pass
.
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